±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: Angiolillo
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6587

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 231
Total: 231
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: News
02: Photo Gallery
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Photo Gallery
07: Downloads
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Your Account
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: News
27: Photo Gallery
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: News
32: News
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: News
36: News
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Home
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: News
43: News
44: Community Forums
45: Downloads
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Home
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Your Account
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: News
63: News
64: News
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Photo Gallery
81: Photo Gallery
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Downloads
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: News
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Photo Gallery
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: News Archive
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Downloads
130: Community Forums
131: Your Account
132: Photo Gallery
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Photo Gallery
136: Photo Gallery
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: News
146: News
147: Downloads
148: News
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Your Account
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: News
168: Photo Gallery
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Statistics
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: News
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: News
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Member Screenshots
190: Community Forums
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Home
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Downloads
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Photo Gallery
227: Photo Gallery
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3939
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:43 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Okay, here we go again... The crux of the problem is that Hunnicutt & Haugh/Diplessis refer to chassis numbers (matched with RNs), and not serial numbers - whereas we have SNs off the hulls... We can possibly make some assumptions of how SNs match up based on a sequential numbering of the RNs, but even that isnt quite clear.

This following info is from Hunnicutt Abrams, p. 93-95; and "An Idea Too Early for Its Time: The US Army T95 Medium/Heavy Tank Series" by David R. Haugh and Michael Duplessis in the November 1999 issue of the Journal of Military Ordnance:

9B1043: First pilot T95, sent to APG, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no. 4.
9B1044: Second pilot T95, sent to Knox, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no 7.
9B1045: Third pilot T95, sent to APG - chassis no 8.
9B1046: Fourth pilot T95, retained at Detroit, later fitted with variable height suspension and Integrated Fighting Compartment turret - chassis no 9. Turret later transferred to Ford Aeroneutronics for use in Shillelagh testing.
9B1047: T95E1 pilot, sent to APG, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no. 5. Probably the one at Weirton, WV.
9B1048: First pilot T95E2 (M48 turret), sent to APG, later converted to a T95E5 - chassis no. 1
9B1049: Second pilot T95E2 (M48 turret), sent to Knox - chassis no. 3, Could be the one at Fort McCoy, WI.
9B1050: First pilot T95E3, sent to Yuma, later converted to a T95E8 and then fitted with a variable height suspension, now range target at Camp Grayling, MI? - aka chassis no. 2
9B1051: Second pilot T95E3, sent to Knox, later converted to a T95E8 and then fitted with a variable height suspension and M60E2 turret - chassis no. 6. Most likely the one at Fort Knox.
9B1052: T95E8, tested at Yuma, later fitted with an Integrated Fighting Compartment turret armed with a 120mm Delta gun
9B1053: T95E8
9B1054: T95E8
9B1055: T95E8, tested at Detroit Tank Arsenal
9B2027: T118 Combat Engineer Vehicle variant, later fitted with a variable height suspension and M48 turret.
9B2028: T118 CEV
9B2029: T118 CEV
9B2030: T95 built for, but not fitted with AVLB. Later fitted with a friction/hydropneumatic variable height suspension and M48 turret at APG. Apparently later fitted with M60E2 turret. Now in storage at Anniston Army Depot.

IF the SNs are sequential, that matches up well for the Weirton T95 (SN 5) to be 9B1047 / chassis no. 5. We're then left to resolve the Knox T95 (SN 8 ) and McCoy T95 (SN 12). If the SNs are sequential against the RNs, then the Knox T95 should be 9B1050 (chassis no. 2) - but I dont have any record of that chassis being fitted with a M60E2 turret and we have photographic evident in Haugh / Duplessis of 9B1051 (chassis no 6) at Fort Knox with the same turret & suspension, etc. The McCoy T95 almost certainly proves that SNs are not the same as chassis numbers since there is no record in Hunnicutt or Haugh / Duplessis of a chassis no. 12... If the SNs and RNs are at least somewhat sequential, its a T95E8...

Don, I should have asked before, but since the Knox example is the only one we have interior access to, any chance you could look for a dataplate? I also wonder if the RN is painted on somewhere, perhaps on the side by the wall...

Confused

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:54 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

- Dontos
- Doug_Kibbey
Looks better inside than I'd expect it to, considering it sat outside for a long time...

...and I hope you're kidding about no exterior shots! Shocked


Mine didn't turn out very good. Crying or Very sad

Don
I'm%20wondering%20why,%20back%20in%20'71,%20they%20had%20the%20turret%20travered%20to%20the%20rear?%20Was%20it%20stuck%20in%20that%20position.%20or%20did%20sombody%20not%20know%20which%20end%20was%20which?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:28 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

For what they're worth, these were taken in March 1970 outside the old museum. Perhaps the turret is rusted in place? Shocked

Thanks for my first view into the LST Building interior, Dontos; much appreciated!


_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com


Last edited by A-109E on Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:35 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:35 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Well, sure...you were there on a sunny day, Bob. Laughing

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:40 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Some mo'...

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:58 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....




more to come................................


Last edited by armyjunk2 on Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:07 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:16 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

- armyjunk2
Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....

.....
....in%20better%20days...(what%20did%20they%20do%20to%20those%20fenders?!)
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:33 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

RENAULT FT's

feel free to ask questions, someone here will know the answer....

Does%20anyone%20know%20what%20this%20is?%20Thanks
Back to top
View user's profile
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Thanks for the fascinating photo tour, A/J. Great pics. I'm envious! Smile

_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

These are the other things I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, missing here is a large group of vehicles that were covered with tarps and parked so close together you couldn't get a picture.........

Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

ONTOS 3 pictures of one vehicle

Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

- armyjunk2
These are the other things I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, missing here is a large group of vehicles that were covered with tarps and parked so close together you couldn't get a picture.........
This%20one%20deserves%20a%20close-up%20for%20Bob%20since%20it's%20a%2017th%20Cav%20bird.%20:lol:%20
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3939
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

- armyjunk2
Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....

Thats%20a%20Swiss%20G-13%20Hetzer...
%20%20
Don%20previously%20told%20me%20thats%20the%20original%20paint%20job%20on%20this%20StuG%20III
%20%20
Sd.Kfz.%20251/9%20Ausf%20D?
%20%20
Sd.Kfz.%2010%20-%20I%20somehow%20missed%20it%20in%20the%20Patton%20Museum%20inventory%20before...
%20%20
JgPz%20IV/70
%20%20
Sd.Kfz.%206%20Half-Track
%20%20
Sd.Kfz.%20223?
%20%20
PzH%2018/1%20Hummel?
%20%20
Armyjunk2,%20nice%20set%20of%20pics%20of%20the%20Sd.Kfz.%20234/4%20PzSPW%20-%20one%20of%20two%20in%20the%20world.%20This%20one%20probably%20really%20should%20be%20on%20display...%20JMHO....
%20%20
PzKpfw%20V%20Panther%20Ausf%20G,%20used%20to%20be%20on%20display%20behind%20the%20museum...
%20%20
PzKpfw%20III%20Ausf%20F%20-%20ditto....
%20%20




Uh.... No idea...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3939
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

- armyjunk2






There's a third M4A1 in the museum collection now? I was aware of the Grizzly inside the museum, and the flamethrower in the LST building, but not a third... Although I have probably seen it before...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3939
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Hey Don, would you believe I actually need the SN & RN of the museum's Ontos?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum