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Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)
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Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

Okay, here we go again... The crux of the problem is that Hunnicutt & Haugh/Diplessis refer to chassis numbers (matched with RNs), and not serial numbers - whereas we have SNs off the hulls... We can possibly make some assumptions of how SNs match up based on a sequential numbering of the RNs, but even that isnt quite clear.

This following info is from Hunnicutt Abrams, p. 93-95; and "An Idea Too Early for Its Time: The US Army T95 Medium/Heavy Tank Series" by David R. Haugh and Michael Duplessis in the November 1999 issue of the Journal of Military Ordnance:

9B1043: First pilot T95, sent to APG, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no. 4.
9B1044: Second pilot T95, sent to Knox, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no 7.
9B1045: Third pilot T95, sent to APG - chassis no 8.
9B1046: Fourth pilot T95, retained at Detroit, later fitted with variable height suspension and Integrated Fighting Compartment turret - chassis no 9. Turret later transferred to Ford Aeroneutronics for use in Shillelagh testing.
9B1047: T95E1 pilot, sent to APG, later converted to a T95E8 - chassis no. 5. Probably the one at Weirton, WV.
9B1048: First pilot T95E2 (M48 turret), sent to APG, later converted to a T95E5 - chassis no. 1
9B1049: Second pilot T95E2 (M48 turret), sent to Knox - chassis no. 3, Could be the one at Fort McCoy, WI.
9B1050: First pilot T95E3, sent to Yuma, later converted to a T95E8 and then fitted with a variable height suspension, now range target at Camp Grayling, MI? - aka chassis no. 2
9B1051: Second pilot T95E3, sent to Knox, later converted to a T95E8 and then fitted with a variable height suspension and M60E2 turret - chassis no. 6. Most likely the one at Fort Knox.
9B1052: T95E8, tested at Yuma, later fitted with an Integrated Fighting Compartment turret armed with a 120mm Delta gun
9B1053: T95E8
9B1054: T95E8
9B1055: T95E8, tested at Detroit Tank Arsenal
9B2027: T118 Combat Engineer Vehicle variant, later fitted with a variable height suspension and M48 turret.
9B2028: T118 CEV
9B2029: T118 CEV
9B2030: T95 built for, but not fitted with AVLB. Later fitted with a friction/hydropneumatic variable height suspension and M48 turret at APG. Apparently later fitted with M60E2 turret. Now in storage at Anniston Army Depot.

IF the SNs are sequential, that matches up well for the Weirton T95 (SN 5) to be 9B1047 / chassis no. 5. We're then left to resolve the Knox T95 (SN 8 ) and McCoy T95 (SN 12). If the SNs are sequential against the RNs, then the Knox T95 should be 9B1050 (chassis no. 2) - but I dont have any record of that chassis being fitted with a M60E2 turret and we have photographic evident in Haugh / Duplessis of 9B1051 (chassis no 6) at Fort Knox with the same turret & suspension, etc. The McCoy T95 almost certainly proves that SNs are not the same as chassis numbers since there is no record in Hunnicutt or Haugh / Duplessis of a chassis no. 12... If the SNs and RNs are at least somewhat sequential, its a T95E8...

Don, I should have asked before, but since the Knox example is the only one we have interior access to, any chance you could look for a dataplate? I also wonder if the RN is painted on somewhere, perhaps on the side by the wall...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:54 am
Post subject: Re: Open House AAR (LST/R.M.P./Patton Museum)

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Looks better inside than I'd expect it to, considering it sat outside for a long time...

...and I hope you're kidding about no exterior shots! Shocked


Mine didn't turn out very good. Crying or Very sad

Don
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:28 am
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For what they're worth, these were taken in March 1970 outside the old museum. Perhaps the turret is rusted in place? Shocked

Thanks for my first view into the LST Building interior, Dontos; much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:35 am
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Well, sure...you were there on a sunny day, Bob. Laughing

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Some mo'...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:58 am
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Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....




more to come................................


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:16 am
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Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....

.....
....in%20better%20days...(what%20did%20they%20do%20to%20those%20fenders?!)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:33 am
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RENAULT FT's

feel free to ask questions, someone here will know the answer....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:06 pm
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Thanks for the fascinating photo tour, A/J. Great pics. I'm envious! Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:22 pm
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These are the other things I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, missing here is a large group of vehicles that were covered with tarps and parked so close together you couldn't get a picture.........

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:26 pm
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ONTOS 3 pictures of one vehicle

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:31 pm
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These are the other things I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, missing here is a large group of vehicles that were covered with tarps and parked so close together you couldn't get a picture.........
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:01 pm
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Here are the German vehicles I saw at Richardson Motor Pool, you will notice that lots are covered.....

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Uh.... No idea...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:17 pm
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There's a third M4A1 in the museum collection now? I was aware of the Grizzly inside the museum, and the flamethrower in the LST building, but not a third... Although I have probably seen it before...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:21 pm
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Hey Don, would you believe I actually need the SN & RN of the museum's Ontos?

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