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Solbiate Olona. Sherman dozer
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:43 pm
Post subject: Solbiate Olona. Sherman dozer

This was my first tank-hunting trip of the year. Unfortunately I faced some problems:

- I had literally 10 minutes to cover 4 tanks

- Due to security restrictions it was forbidden to shot from certain angles (it's an active army base)

- There was snow around, not that much but still annoying

Anyway, back to the interesting things. There was a Sherman, S/N: 21596. Looks like it has attachments for the dozer blade. I rely on the in-house Sherman experts to learn more about it. I can provide additional pictures at the moment, but I may be able to visit the place again in the future:




There are at least other two Sherman dozers in Italy:
digilander.libero.it/p...er_cec.htm
digilander.libero.it/p...kdozer.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:19 pm
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Hello Massimo,
What was the name of the barracks and what were the other tanks?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Solbiate Olona. Sherman dozer?

Caserma "Mara", there is also an L 6/40 (see dedicated topic), an L 3/38 and an M47.

I already posted on the L 6, I've got only 2 shots of the M47 and something about the L 3/38 but due to its position it's not that great. Anyway, I can post them if you want. Trevor has something on his website too, but it lists an M55 instead of the M47, based on a wrong list on Ferrea Mole website.

Please feel free to ask for more, or contact me directly as you see fit.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:34 pm
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yeah, it seems to be an ex-Dozer.
For sure it is an M4A4(75).

Thanks for the SN !!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:22 pm
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Well done, Massimo!

Here's the original link:

Solbiate Olona

Of course it needs updating now!

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I know for sure the italian army tried, as much as possible, to get rid of the multi-bank engines in M4A4s and replace them with radial ones. Is there a way I could figure out which engine is inside this tank without opening hatches left and right?

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I know for sure the italian army tried, as much as possible, to get rid of the multi-bank engines in M4A4s and replace them with radial ones. Is there a way I could figure out which engine is inside this tank without opening hatches left and right?

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the engine hatches/plates were replaced, because the air cooling system needed openings that were not at the same place on these plates, given the engine type.
That's why M4A4Ts don't have M4A4 engine plates, but M4A1s instead (IIRC). Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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the engine hatches/plates were replaced, because the air cooling system needed openings that were not at the same place on these plates, given the engine type.
That's why M4A4Ts don't have M4A4 engine plates, but M4A1s instead (IIRC). Please correct me if I'm wrong.


I am not a Sherman expert. Does it means we can identify the engine used by the tank from the pictures above? If not, where I should look next time?

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Shermans aren't my expertise either, but that central bulge on the engine deck with bolts around it is typical for an M4A4.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:31 pm
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I am not a Sherman expert. Does it means we can identify the engine used by the tank from the pictures above? If not, where I should look next time?

Massimo


That's the original engine deck for an M4A4 with the original Chrysler Multibank engine :

and%20that's%20the%20engine%20deck%20for%20a%20French%20M4A4T%20with%20the%20Continental%20R-975%20C4%20radial%20engine%20:

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Thanks. Looks like it missed the engine upgrade.
One of these days I will manage to get additional pictures and maybe collect additional info

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:14 am
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Hi everyone,
I think that also this M4A4 have received the radial engine because the pics showns that on the rear plate there is the small hole for the hand crank, a typical feature of the radial engined Shermans that lacks on the others.

I think the hole was drilled when the radial engine replaced the multibank one.

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Next time I will be there I will try to open the engine's rear doors and look inside Wink
In the meantime thnaks all for the help

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Looks like next month I should be able to visit the place again, and have plenty of time for a full walkaround, but I don't think I will be able to climb the tank.
Any suggestion for areas or details I should cover? One main goal here is to try and figure out if it still has the original multi-bank engine or the radial one.

I will try to open the engine's rear doors and look inside, but I am not sure if it will be doable.

Tips and suggestions from our Sherman experts are welcome. Wink

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there is a very easy way to see if the Continental engine was installed on this M4A4 :

this is a normal M4A4 back engine doors area :

this%20is%20a%20modified%20M4A4%20back%20engine%20doors%20area,%20you%20can%20see%20that%20the%20rectangular%20filters%20and%20a%20grille%20were%20added%20:

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