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interesting afghan scrap heap...
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You need to see it full-size to appreciate some of the vehicles there...

www.flickr.com/photos/...900533634/

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so, what do you see?
There is no Panther Ausf. G .... Wink

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I think he is means the drive sprockets of T-55 tank (most likely) on the left side of the picture Wink Wink

or maybe the Rogers trailer??

the DUKW??

the 2 Daimler Scout Cars??

Am I getting close??

If that is not it, I missed it Sad

Nice picture by the way, it was taken with an Canon EOS 20D, ISO-100 with an 55mm lens and the date was 10-11-2005 at 17:00

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I think that may not be a true DUKW It appears to have a tailgate ( The DUKW didn't) But something I read years ago said the Soviets made a DUKW clone that improved on the design by adding a tailgate to allow easier unloading

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I think that may not be a true DUKW It appears to have a tailgate ( The DUKW didn't) But something I read years ago said the Soviets made a DUKW clone that improved on the design by adding a tailgate to allow easier unloading


right. It's called a ZiS-485 (BAV).

"Similar in size to the DUKW, which it resembles, the BAV has a rear loading ramp by which vehicles can be driven right aboard, rather than being loaded over the side by crane." (Wikipedia)

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the 2 Daimler Scout Cars??


These are rather "Armored Carriers, Wheeled, Indian Pattern, Mk IV"

Most probably the 2 last examples still surviving... Shocked

Didn't see tham at first..

Thanks Jim !!

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Well spotted guys - I was anticipating having to tell you you all what they were but you proved me wrong Wink

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At least I got one thing correct Laughing Laughing

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This is a synthesis of what we know about pre-1945 vehicles in Afghanistan :

-3 Renault FT tanks went abroad (2 were recovered from a dump)
-1 Renault FT is still displayed at the entrance of a fort
-the Disston tractor tank is in a dump
-the 2 Armored Carriers, Wheeled, Indian Pattern, Mk IV are in a dump too
-the SU-76 is "somewhere" in Afghanistan (but apparently not in a dump)

what else?

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Hi folks,

concerning Afghan Armour pre-1945

There is an site hosted from the Florida State Unverity and it is actually about wargaming
However there are several lists of vehicle's that where used in various countries, including Afghanistan

mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/...istan.html

and among the previous mentioned vehicle's

-3 Renault FT tanks went abroad (2 were recovered from a dump)
-1 Renault FT is still displayed at the entrance of a fort
-the Disston tractor tank is in a dump
-the 2 Armored Carriers, Wheeled, Indian Pattern, Mk IV are in a dump too
-the SU-76 is "somewhere" in Afghanistan (but apparently not in a dump)


there where also
- Fiat-Ansaldo CV 33/II Tankette, quantity unknown;
- Bren Gun Carrier or Windsor Bren gun carrier, quantity unknown;
- Soviet T-26, quantity unknown;
- Czech LT vz 35, quantity 10;
- possible there where also Soviet BA-3 or Soviet BA-6, quantity unknown;

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that's right, I forgot to say that one or more L3 are still in Afghanistan..

for the other vehicles, I don't know.

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I am almost sure I have an image of one of them near some monument... I'll have to take a look through my image bank and check.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:13 pm
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Google Earth shows about a square mile of old russian armor near Kabul. 34.563671 69.313205 is the NorthWest corner of the lot.

www.panoramio.com/photo/8091311

www.panoramio.com/photo/3441041
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I think that may not be a true DUKW It appears to have a tailgate ( The DUKW didn't) But something I read years ago said the Soviets made a DUKW clone that improved on the design by adding a tailgate to allow easier unloading


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:54 pm
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- JimWeb
You need to see it full-size to appreciate some of the vehicles there...

www.flickr.com/photos/...900533634/


Jim,

Great pic, thanks!

Another picture of this pair was posted on this Forum before: www.com-central.net/in...amp;t=9845

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