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Romanian Military Museum: Shermies, MkIV's, an' stuff....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:24 am
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Thanks for showing the photos. That front half of a Sherman hull is interesting. You have the remains of one of the "odd ducks" - an M4A2 with the 47-degree hull front AND applique armor. This hull is why Tamiya mistakenly sent (and still sends) applique armor panels with their M4A3 models (and dummies still put them on!). By the way, the tracks may or may not be burned - those are T49 all-steel tracks.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that I have read somewhere that they also became border defenses...

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I have a British Army intelligence handbook which lists them as still in service in Romania in 1954.

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Thanks, Jim...the book I have is vague about when they went out of service. Just "early '50's" and "sometime after 1950" sort of remarks.

Do you have any idea what became of them?
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I have a British Army intelligence handbook which lists them as still in service in Romania in 1954.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:53 pm
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Doug, great pics. Yet another example of how the Panther was seen as a still capable tank into the late 1940s and even early 1950s...

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Well, what with all the "Panthers in the News" lately, I thought I'd scan this from the book I picked up in the "Muzeul Militar National"....sadly, they don't have any of these on display. They were in use in the post-war period until sometime shortly after 1950 or so when they were replaced by Soviet-build material. They used a mix of types, as you can see. What became of them I have no idea.

(Click the adjacent link for a larger, clearer view, but not much, as they're downsized a lot and have printer's dots and the photo isn't that clear to begin with)

img.photobucket.com/al...Pz51sm.jpg

img.photobucket.com/al...Pz52sm.jpg While%20I'm%20at%20it,%20here's%20the%20TACAM%20prototype: img.photobucket.com/al...rotosm.jpg
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Somehow, it just looks better with two "B's" together...don't know why that is....sorry.


Matters not as neither is correct Smile

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Somehow, it just looks better with two "B's" together...don't know why that is....sorry.


Matters not as neither is correct Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:02 pm
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'Nuther OT item...this is the Skoda service truck pictured from the first trip. The trailer with the generator that is actually behind the FAMO that I thought likely belonged to this vehicle definitely does...both the wood and wheels match and the tow pintle on the truck is compatible with the trailer connection which the FAMO isn't. Besides, the gear in the truck machine shop rear needs the power.

There is a drill press just out of view to the left from where I took the pic through a break in the glass in the back of the van. Inexplicably, the truck is right hand drive. Anyone can explain why that would be?

Sure would be handy to have one of these along on any mechanized road march. Not a bad place to be on a wintry day in the field, either.


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I think Jim Webb is going out later this year.


Yes in March...

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Somehow, it just looks better with two "B's" together...don't know why that is....sorry.
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I think Jim Webb is going out later this year.


Yes in March...

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[quote="Doug_Kibbey"]And now, the big stuff.

A translation of the plates for the Skoda howitzer plates, located elsewhere reads:

"High power rapid fire howitzer Skoda system

Model 1916
Calibre 380mm
Maximum range 14600m
Weight without basement 81700kg
Projectile 740kg

To support the offensive of the Austo-Hungarian Army in May 1916, Skoda Works had built just two examples Md. 1916, named "Barbara" and "Gudrun". The Romanian Army had captured the piece "Gudrun". The howitzer is shown in march, dismantled and mounted on four cars (for barrel, for carriage and for basement). With special tyres to the wheels it can run also on the road."
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"High power rapid fire howitzer Skoda system

Model 1916
Calibre 420mm
Maximum range 14600m
Weight without basement 113000kg
Projectile 1000kg

Built by Skoda Works to destroy the high fortified positions. It is shown in march, on two cars(for barrel and for carriage). Used by Austro-Hungarian artillery, the howitzer, unique in the world, had been captured by the Romanian Army during the First World War."

I have some close up shots of the recoil systems of these weapons that I had time to study more closely this time that I'll post later. The one for the 420 is interesting in that it is inverted, which gave me fits the first time.

By the way, on the page below, you can find pics of these babies assembled ready to fire. Copy and past the relevant pic title to your browser window:
www.militaryphotos.net...79952.html

\"Gudrun\"%20and%20the%20420%20assembled:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:32 pm
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- ossie
hi ya

this must be near the univerisata, have you been to the other little one , this is near the pitz hut which is in basement of the old miltary building.
there is a cafe in the front now with some great steps.

i tried to look for the museum when i was out there.
what do yopu think of Romaina. the town is great for shopping,

speak soon ossie


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It's at str. Mircea Vulcanescu, nr. 125-127, Sector 1 between Calea Plevnei and Dinicu Golescu Telephone 00 40 21 212 60 15

Hours are 0900-1700 Tuesday-Sunday. Closed Mondays.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:12 pm
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Seems that the .30 is upside down.. look at the aiming sight..

Doug, thanks for your photos, I updated the PDF file with the photos of the LT-35 and the TACAM R-2.

Pierre-Olivier


Well, yeah...as well as the feed tray cover and the charging handle on the wrong side...the whole thing is sloppy but I think it's real. I was amazed the ball mount actually moved, given all the rust.

I gather you downloaded the higher res versions from the "properties" like I suggested...if you need higher yet, I got 'em. Wink
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Seems that the .30 is upside down.. look at the aiming sight..

Doug, thanks for your photos, I updated the PDF file with the photos of the LT-35 and the TACAM R-2.

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