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Welcome to the new Bush Flying Group. Come fly with the Com-Central Group as they fly in remote areas from around the world. Flight plans and requirements are posted inside the forum complete with all the links for the files. Time to get that cargo to those remote places!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:35 am
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Certain Flights for the BushFlying Club may be a bit unusual. For instance you may be landing where there is no airfield lol Or you may be flying very very low to the ground. Or you may be scouting out some territory for info that CC Airways needs for further development lol Who knows what your next flight will have in store for you lol

Here at Com-Central we will do our best to try to keep this interesting for all that participate and as the interest in the Bush Flying Club gets bigger so will the flights. Hopefully the flights will become big enough that they cant be done in one day, but several days to be completed. And some of the legs will have a certain day and time that they have to be completed on.

Keep in mind this is just the begining of the Bush Flying Club and with the right people and events, this could grow to be alot of fun for all.

If there is any ideas of planes that you like for the sole purpose of Bush Flying please make a post here so we can keep an up to date list of them. Some of your flights will be with assigned planes that meet or almost meet the needs for a certain leg.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:54 am
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a great plane for bush flying would be the awesome Maule that's been done for fs2004. its a really accurate plane.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:39 am
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Rgr for the Maule - just refraining from putting here my list now Wink

MD, if you're going to twist our minds with such amenities like landing on no-runways, well, be aware you'll find in me your fondest supporter Laughing

Letting alone jokes, that's what bush flying is, and I really feel excited at the idea of joining this kind of experience: I was waiting for something like that, and I'm happy you eventually launched the challenge!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:05 am
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Twisted Evil Sounds like fun! I should be back up and operational in a few weeks, and I would like to join in the fun. Are you going to restrict all the flights to one engine? There are lots of possibilities with multi-engine STOL planes, and Helos as well. There are several planes I have in mind for that. There are also float and ski planes too. When it comes to bush flying the possibilities are only as limited as your imagination. The possible missions are also as open as well. Razz I also know there are several people that can do paint jobs on planes. Having a special fleet of planes could be looked at for the clubs special missions.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:32 am
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I agree Wingnut, with this club at the early stages of starting there is alot of things to be considered. And we have been talking about a certain fleet of planes, helos and base scenery and such. We jsut dont want to try to make this thiing to big too fast but to gradually grow to meet everyones interestes. The planes and such will be gradually announced here so everyone has the proper planes to use for each flgiht. The planes or helos will be announce with each weeks activities like we do it for the FS9 Sunday flights.

As far as paint jobs they need to be one paint job on all planes thats basically why we will supply a hanger of planes and helos and such so that everyone has them. In case several CC members do this online everyone needs to be able to see each others planes. And i'm sure some of these flights or legs will need to be done online to be able to complete them. After all you may be flying to an area where there are no airports to refuel at so someone will have to carry barrels of gas before everyone can refuel and continue on your journey.


Right now though this needs to remain simple so we can get it running smooth and to make sure we have the amont of interest needed to support such a feat.

More updates to come in the near future.
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Cool, the paint jobs that I was thinking of would be specifically aimed at the Comm-Central airlines. I've seen some outstanding examples of work posted on this forum. That could be the way to set up the Fleet and make it so everyone can see each other. The reason I asked about the number of engines was the first flight plan you posted, specifically stated one engine. I know of a couple small multi-engine planes that could probably do the complete job in one flight. I also know of at least 2 single engine planes that could carry a lot of the load too. One is fairy modern and the other a bit older, but still quite capable of cargo transport. Both planes have several versions that include wheels, floats, and ski's. I also know of at least 4 helos that could take the whole load, but may not have the fuel capibility of doing it in one trip, however there is 5 that could also carry spare fuel as well as the cargo. One could be the Sky Crane with a pod. It could do the whole trip. The others could be the HH53 Super Jolly Green Giant, The Sea Knight, and several others. They are big, capable and able to do long distances if necessary. I know it may not be bush flying in its true form, but wow the possibilities. I was also thinking of at least 2 different amphib planes as well, the Grumman Goose, and the Albatross. Both can carry large payloads and go into small back country strips, or lakes. For Larger cargos there is the C-123, and the C-130. Definate STOL planes with long ranges and heavy lift capibilities. Both are great Bush flying planes for real heavy lift capibilitys. Cool I have places where all these can be found easily. The repaints, may not be available, but the originals can be. There could be a fleet as small as 15 different planes or as large as necessary to make for an interesting selection, that could cover any possible mission. I would also have a couple small singles for, as you said, scouting missions that could get in rough areas, like the Maule with tundra tires, and out without too much trouble.

This looks like it may be fun. Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:52 pm
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With the current plans so far its not intended for any one plane to make the whole trip actually some legs will be set that way intentionally with limits on weight and fuel, so someone may be flying along just to take fuel for the extra difference. We will be having a hangar setup with the advised common planes with all the same paint schemes that need to be used but that is a bit down the road yet. Those are some good ideas and thats what we want to hear.

If Bush Pilots flew big birds to do the entire trip in one plane that would defeat the purpose of what we're looking to do.

Somewhere along the line some of these legs wont be able to be flown in the same day due to people wont want the stuff delivered at our convenience instead we will have to meet their demands and deliver things on a certain day.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:58 am
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Lol, I take it you haven't seen the movie Air America. They were using C-123's in it for bush duty, and it's based on actual activities in SE Asia by that orginization. They also used a couple other aircraft. There was a single engine bush plane that I can never remember the name of in that movie. They showed it landing on a runway that ran up the side of a fairly steep hill. The US Air Force specifically chose the C-130 for its STOL capibilitys. There are some kinds of flights that can be done with "heavy" planes, though most Bush flying was done with smaller single or twin engine planes. The DeHavelin Twin Otter was a great little twin that is frequently used even now for bush work. It has STOL capibility, and can be fitted with floats, skis and wheels. Two other great bush planes are the Beaver, and Cessna Caravan. Again both are able to be fitted with skis and floats as well as wheels. All great bush planes with good cargo or passenger capibilities.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:48 am
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Hi, Wingnut! Smile

I see your point, and from your perspective I have to admit you might be right, but this is just a first step in a very ambitious project: we had to start from something, and the challenge MD offered us this week was to split the whole load in several flights, according to the payload of small kites.

I don't think big cargo planes will be banned "tout court" - after all, you can fly the posted plans with any aircraft you want - who can prevent you from doing so? Just consider that one of the aims is to schedule "operations" to be achieved by joint effort in multi-player sessions - what if you carry everything alone, leaving us on ground staring at our toes? Wink

The choice of single engined planes, moreover, forces you to find the best possible compromise between performance and payload: most of these kites can hardly bring themselves, so you have to pay attention, or you'll blast your tyres. So, it's also a matter of carefully planning what you're going to do.

Have a look at the plan for Sunday 17th: at first, I wanted to see what happened if I stuffed everything on a Piper Super Pacer... well, I wasn't so surprised it couldn't take off Laughing

Then I turned to a DHC-3 Super Otter - still a single engined, but it has a large cargo van, and I could make a big part of the job; now I got back, and wanted to take a smaller plane (I made some successful tests with a Messerschmitt Me-20a Oderwald) to bring the left milk.

But this kite is a very old one (1926) - no radio, no GPS, just a compass and a beeping ADF (no needle), so I was bound to fly visual, but actually weather was impossible, there was such a think fog that I couldn't see anything. So once taken off, I found quite hardly my way through the first waypoint, and there landed rather clumsily: it was a miracle I detected the runway! Rolling Eyes

The story above is just to represent you not the game in itself, but the spirit I believe we're trying to grasp, not just traveling, not just doing the job, but being challenged with new experiences, and through them sharing feelings and emotions.

Small little lovely planes, they've been left out of our games for too long - now let them have some glory Cool


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:06 am
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Sure, I understand. That's why I also mentioned the Beaver. Old reliable bush plane and it is still being used for just that kind of flying. It's been around since the 1940's. There are limits to the cargo/passengers that can be taken into some of those out of the way fields. The big planes could be used for say a multi-player flight delivering oil drilling equipment to an out of the way area, using a dirt field. Those have to be balanced and the cargo limited when you even consider the field used. You don't want to be over weight so you over run the limited length of the field. There could be trees or a mountain in the way. It could also test the pilot to the limit in just making a safe landing/take off on a short field. That is also the spirit of Bush flying. In addition, most of those fields didn't have navaids so the pilot needs to use his seat of the pants flying skills just to find the field. They might be something to look at in the future, for a limited number of posibilities. The other planes I mentioned, the caravan and twin otter are very capabile bush planes, that have several abilities, that can also test the pilots. The weights on both are critical when considering cargo. Like you said, you don't want to pop the tires, or over-run the runways. Both tend to make for bad flights.

I love the idea of the bush flights. I like having my flight skills tested. Hopefully I will be available soon. Razz

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