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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:55 pm
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I remember Ed telling me about some of the artifacts 'behind the fence' I know the M51 heavy recovery vehicle was one of them and I think teh M578 was also one of them

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Quentin,
Many, many thanks for the info!

The "T26E1" is actually a T25E1 - they mislabeled it unfortunately...

The M551 is the XM551 (SN 4).

The M2 Combat Car is the M2A2E3 (SN 248).

The M578 is a head-scratcher actually. Wasnt aware of one with the Ordnance Museum.

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Afternoon,

Yes!

Railroad Ave:
Everything you have on Railroad Ave is there.

Regarding the "Stored Elsewhere?"

These are with the others on Railroad:
M3A1 Lee "Lu Lu Belle"
M113 "Iron Butterfly II"
T70 "Fearless Felix"
Type 97 Chi Ha
T114

Not-Located at all (I will ask around):
Semovente da 90/53

Others that are on Railroad that you didn't ask about:
M3 Stuart "Sad Sack"
M5 "JEB"
T26 SN18? Painted "25-18" on the hull
M48A2C Patton SN518 "Bamboo Viper"
XM104? Under tarps
M551 has that brown gloss paint can't find any numbers on it.
M578 BMY820?
?M2 Combat Car??? You'll have to look at the pictures...I'm guessing (and that has never been a strength identified with Captains!) but the only numbers I saw where SYM C64944 with "SOFT STEEL" stamped in below and the number C64946.
Mk VIB Light Tank...looks newly painted, tightly tarped though another guess though

Let me know if that helps, I put most of the pictures up too...I can always go back if you need clarification on some point.

www.flickr.com/photos/...090441696/

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:54 pm
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Quentin,
Any luck yet by chance?

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Neil,

I would have no problem looking into to this...it will give me something to do...

I was planning on looking into the two Std vehicles also.

Vr

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www.flickr.com/photos/...024850933/

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Quentin,
I hesitate to ask, but one thing I could really use help with is a list of what is currently in storage at Fort Lee - it looks like there have been some additions (such as the M51 TRV) since I last visited, and when I was last at APG there were a few vehicles missing I didnt remember seeing at Railroad Ave.

So here's my latest list:

U.S. Army Ordnance Museum Storage, Railroad Ave
Crusader Mk III GBR std WD No. T126120?
img.photobucket.com/al...0_9921.jpg
KV-1C SOV std Only KV-1 in the US; SN 11302
www.williammaloney.com.../index.htm
M2 Medium with M2A1 turret USA std SN 2, RN 30445
www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/
M4A1(75) Sherman Calliope USA std SN 7320, RN 3058832
img.photobucket.com/al...2_0149.jpg
M4A4 Sherman USA std Experimental HVSS; SN 19617
www.williammaloney.com.../index.htm
M7B1 Priest USA std SN 3167, RN 4040083
www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/
M8 HMC USA std SN 339, RN 4051572; 1 of 5 in US
img.photobucket.com/al...2_0143.jpg
M10 GMC USA/ITA std SN 6196, RN 4011031
www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/
M22 Locust USA std RN 3023588
www.primeportal.net/ta...22_locust/
M24 Chaffee USA std “Skeeter;” SN 3874
www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/
M37 HMC USA std SN 75
www.primeportal.net/ar...105mm_hmc/
M40 GMC USA std SN 840, RN 40195650; “Big Shot”
www.primeportal.net/ar...php?Page=1
M51 USA out USMC RN 229141
preservedtanks.com/Pro...8&Select=4
M55 USA std “Tiny Tim;” RN 12B320
www.primeportal.net/ar...5_8in_sph/
PzJg Tiger(P) Elefant DEU std Kursk veteran; recovered from Italy
www.peachmountain.com/...efant.aspx
PzKpfw I Ausf B DEU std Recovered from Libya
www.williammaloney.com.../index.htm
PzKpfw IV Ausf D/E/F DEU std 75mm gun from Ausf N
www.primeportal.net/ta...e_walk.htm
Renault R-35 Model ZM FRA std
www.primeportal.net/ta...5_walk.htm
Semovente da 47/32 su L6/40 ITA std Captured at Tobruk
www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/
Semovente da 75/18 su M.41 ITA std Captured at Tobruk www.peachmountain.com/..._tank.aspx
Skeleton Tank USA std Only one built
www.peachmountain.com/..._tank.aspx
SOMUA S 35 FRA std Recovered from Hilliersleben
www.williammaloney.com.../index.htm
T1E1 Heavy Tank USA std SN 24; pilot M6, only survivor
www.peachmountain.com/...ks_M6.aspx
T88 HMC USA std Only 1 built; based on M18 Hellcat
img.photobucket.com/al...0_9908.jpg
T64E1 “Gorilla” HMC USA std M41 HMC pilot; SN 2, RN 40192778
www.primeportal.net/ar...155mm_hmc/
T101 SPAT USA std SN 2; M56 Scorpion pilot
img.photobucket.com/al...0_9897.jpg

Ordnance Museum Storage Elsewhere?
M3A1 Lee USA std? SN 1962, RN 306032 27; ”Lu Lu Belle”
www.primeportal.net/ta.../m3a1_lee/
M113 USA out SN 174; “Iron Butterfly II”
www.com-central.net/me...//m113.jpg
Semovente da 90/53 su M.41 ITA std? Captured in N. Africa
svsm.org/gallery/Semovente90-53
T70 Hellcat GMC USA std? T70 pilot number 3; “Fearless Felix”
www.com-central.net/me...sfelix.jpg
Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha JPN std? Captured on Iwo Jima
T114 USA out RN 12M651
www.primeportal.net/ap...ueck/t114/

I know its asking a bit, but is there any chance you could look to see if there's any vehicles there in addition to the above?

Also, longer-term, you might be interested to try to track down the following that Tom Dinackus told me were at Fort Lee some time ago (sometime from the 1970s to 1990s).

US Army Quartermaster Museum, 1201 22nd St (Building 5218)
M3 Scout Car USA std?

US Army Quartermaster Center & School, Petroleum & Water Department, 40th St & G Ave
M56 Scorpion USA std?

Many thanks as always!

Neil
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:21 pm
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In regards to the M32 plaque, that whole circle is pretty new...they may be waiting for spring to put the grass down...I will watch for the plaque too...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:43 am
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That M32 is the same one that was recently refurbished and was briefly on the new Mile of Tanks at APG. I dont suppose they bothered to put up the new plaque they made for it (and other vehicles)?

smg.photobucket.com/al...2PLATE.jpg

Also, the XM474 is "new." Unless its the one that was at Fort Sill (which looks to be a little different), its one I wasnt aware of previously.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:29 am
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Hmmmm...That got me thinking. The M31 & M32 that used to be displayed in front of the Patton Museum, are still currently in RMP, are marked to be shipped to Ft Lee.

I wonder if that is where they may end up....?

Just a thought
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:21 am
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Morning,

Yes, the actual "circle" or roundabout is called Ordnance Circle on the post map, but the roads coming together at Ordnance Circle are "Aberdeen Ave" and "Redstone Ave" and it is on the New Ordnance Campus...

Also I was on North Post the other day and I noticed they have a couple of new cement pads going in, in front of the OD Recovery Training Facility..."static display" sized pads...just something to watch...might be a good place to look for some Recovery Tracks...in the near future...

Vr

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:01 pm
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- quentinmccart
Sorry for the delay, I really don't know what kind of pictures you guys are looking for...but here is what I have...I just got my Household Goods so it has been crazy unpacking...like I said though they are going to start moving some of the smaller stuff...so I will keep an eye out...that roundabout is "Ordnance Circle" with the bradley...

Q

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Quentin, can you provide a "cross-street" for the Ordnance Circle?

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:49 am
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M32A1B3

indeed, triple checked and still wrote the wrong type, shame on me. Sad

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M32A1B3

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the tank is based on an M4A3E8. But I'm sure you have already identified it.


M32A1E8 (“Jan C;” SN 11719, RN 401544847) to be exact and more important to me, I know where it was previously (APG, Edgewood Chemical Biological Center).

Quentin, thanks for those pictures.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:06 pm
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Quentin

Could you take a close up picture of that M4 ARV at the Ordnance Circle, its hard to make out the exact type of that one.

Btw great pictures thanks.

Michel


the tank is based on an M4A3E8. But I'm sure you have already identified it.

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