±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 901
Total: 901
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Downloads
02: Community Forums
03: Your Account
04: Home
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Downloads
17: Photo Gallery
18: Photo Gallery
19: Downloads
20: Downloads
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Downloads
30: Community Forums
31: Statistics
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Statistics
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Downloads
48: Community Forums
49: Member Screenshots
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Photo Gallery
55: Downloads
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Statistics
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Downloads
70: Home
71: CPGlang
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: News
79: News Archive
80: Home
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Downloads
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Your Account
92: Member Screenshots
93: Downloads
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Downloads
99: Downloads
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: CPGlang
106: CPGlang
107: CPGlang
108: Downloads
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Downloads
112: Home
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Home
132: Home
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Downloads
140: Photo Gallery
141: Photo Gallery
142: Community Forums
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Downloads
150: Community Forums
151: Member Screenshots
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Downloads
158: Home
159: Your Account
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Photo Gallery
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Photo Gallery
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Photo Gallery
175: News
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Photo Gallery
179: Community Forums
180: Downloads
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Downloads
186: Downloads
187: Community Forums
188: Downloads
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Home
192: Member Screenshots
193: Your Account
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Downloads
199: Downloads
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: CPGlang
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: CPGlang
215: Statistics
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Your Account
220: Home
221: Home
222: Member Screenshots
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: News
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Community Forums
229: Downloads
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Downloads
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Your Account
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Downloads
241: Community Forums
242: Member Screenshots
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Home
247: CPGlang
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Home
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Your Account
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Downloads
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Downloads
276: Downloads
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Downloads
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Your Account
289: Community Forums
290: Home
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Home
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Downloads
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Home
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Your Account
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Downloads
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Downloads
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: CPGlang
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Home
338: Member Screenshots
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Downloads
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Downloads
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Photo Gallery
353: Downloads
354: Photo Gallery
355: Downloads
356: Downloads
357: Community Forums
358: Downloads
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Your Account
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: CPGlang
366: Home
367: Downloads
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: Home
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Member Screenshots
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: CPGlang
410: CPGlang
411: Community Forums
412: Downloads
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Community Forums
417: Member Screenshots
418: Community Forums
419: Home
420: Downloads
421: Your Account
422: Downloads
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Home
433: Downloads
434: Photo Gallery
435: Community Forums
436: Downloads
437: Photo Gallery
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Home
442: Downloads
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Photo Gallery
446: Home
447: Your Account
448: Home
449: Community Forums
450: Downloads
451: Photo Gallery
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Home
462: Community Forums
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Downloads
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Downloads
483: Photo Gallery
484: Home
485: Community Forums
486: CPGlang
487: Downloads
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Photo Gallery
496: Home
497: Photo Gallery
498: Photo Gallery
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Downloads
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Downloads
508: Photo Gallery
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Member Screenshots
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Downloads
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Home
523: Community Forums
524: Home
525: Community Forums
526: Your Account
527: Community Forums
528: Downloads
529: Photo Gallery
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Downloads
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Downloads
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Photo Gallery
542: Photo Gallery
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Downloads
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Downloads
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: CPGlang
554: Community Forums
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Downloads
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Downloads
571: Community Forums
572: Downloads
573: Photo Gallery
574: Photo Gallery
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Downloads
581: Downloads
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Photo Gallery
588: Photo Gallery
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Statistics
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Downloads
596: Community Forums
597: Member Screenshots
598: Home
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Photo Gallery
604: Home
605: Home
606: Home
607: Home
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Photo Gallery
611: Member Screenshots
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Photo Gallery
619: Community Forums
620: Home
621: Community Forums
622: Home
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Downloads
626: Community Forums
627: Member Screenshots
628: Home
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Home
632: Photo Gallery
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Photo Gallery
636: Home
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Downloads
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Member Screenshots
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Downloads
656: Downloads
657: Community Forums
658: Home
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Downloads
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: CPGlang
669: CPGlang
670: Downloads
671: Home
672: Community Forums
673: Your Account
674: Community Forums
675: Your Account
676: Home
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Photo Gallery
684: Home
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Photo Gallery
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Photo Gallery
693: Photo Gallery
694: Photo Gallery
695: Photo Gallery
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Your Account
700: Photo Gallery
701: Home
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Downloads
716: Home
717: Photo Gallery
718: Member Screenshots
719: Community Forums
720: Downloads
721: Photo Gallery
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Photo Gallery
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Downloads
729: Community Forums
730: Downloads
731: Community Forums
732: Member Screenshots
733: Community Forums
734: Photo Gallery
735: Community Forums
736: Downloads
737: Your Account
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Member Screenshots
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Downloads
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Downloads
747: Photo Gallery
748: Community Forums
749: Home
750: Community Forums
751: Your Account
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Home
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Home
766: Photo Gallery
767: Photo Gallery
768: Community Forums
769: News Archive
770: Photo Gallery
771: Community Forums
772: Home
773: Community Forums
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Statistics
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Home
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Home
785: Your Account
786: Photo Gallery
787: CPGlang
788: Your Account
789: Downloads
790: Community Forums
791: Photo Gallery
792: Community Forums
793: Community Forums
794: Community Forums
795: Downloads
796: Community Forums
797: Photo Gallery
798: Downloads
799: CPGlang
800: Photo Gallery
801: Community Forums
802: Downloads
803: Home
804: Downloads
805: Community Forums
806: Community Forums
807: Photo Gallery
808: Downloads
809: Community Forums
810: Community Forums
811: Home
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Downloads
817: Home
818: Community Forums
819: Home
820: Community Forums
821: Downloads
822: News Archive
823: Member Screenshots
824: Community Forums
825: Community Forums
826: Photo Gallery
827: Community Forums
828: Home
829: Home
830: Community Forums
831: Community Forums
832: Home
833: Community Forums
834: Member Screenshots
835: Community Forums
836: Community Forums
837: Home
838: Downloads
839: Community Forums
840: Community Forums
841: Downloads
842: Home
843: Downloads
844: Home
845: Photo Gallery
846: Home
847: Photo Gallery
848: Community Forums
849: Community Forums
850: Home
851: Community Forums
852: Home
853: Community Forums
854: Community Forums
855: News Archive
856: Downloads
857: Home
858: Your Account
859: Downloads
860: Community Forums
861: Community Forums
862: Community Forums
863: Community Forums
864: Photo Gallery
865: Community Forums
866: Photo Gallery
867: Downloads
868: Community Forums
869: Downloads
870: Community Forums
871: Community Forums
872: Community Forums
873: Photo Gallery
874: Member Screenshots
875: Your Account
876: Home
877: Your Account
878: Community Forums
879: Community Forums
880: Downloads
881: Community Forums
882: Downloads
883: Community Forums
884: Downloads
885: Downloads
886: Photo Gallery
887: Downloads
888: Home
889: Downloads
890: Community Forums
891: Community Forums
892: Community Forums
893: Home
894: Member Screenshots
895: Photo Gallery
896: Photo Gallery
897: Downloads
898: Community Forums
899: Home
900: Downloads
901: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Preserved Tanks in Brazil
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
vmmv1
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 75
Location: virginia
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

The Stuarts that were in the private collection have been sold and are now spread around Europe and the UK. I can post some pictures of when I moved them if anyone is interested. Marc
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:54 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

I'm back.

- vmmv1
The Stuarts that were in the private collection have been sold and are now spread around Europe and the UK. I can post some pictures of when I moved them if anyone is interested. Marc


Absolutely! Any information and pictures much appreciated.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Massimo_Foti
- Doug_Kibbey

BTW, with regard to tracking all these vehicles in Brazil, be aware that at least as recently as 2005 or so, there was an individual there that privately owned quite a number of former government Stuarts and other vehicles...


I think you are referring to this:
www.militarytrader.com...iscovered/

One of the tank end up in Switzerland:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4249113513

At least another one is in England:
www.flickr.com/photos/...6270470716


Since getting back from holiday I've been working on identifying and tracking down the Stuarts from Brazil, starting with the two highlighted by Massimo (see the relevant country threads). In addition I have identified and partly tracked another 10 or so. I have updated the two locations with information and pictures from a correspondent in Brazil, Paulo Bidoli:

Itupeva

Bragança Paulista



- more details to follow on the other Stuarts

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:25 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

My trip to Brazil has been brought forward so I'll soon be off the forum for a week.

- the_shadock
Trevor,

I would be glad to get some photos from you if you are lucky enough to get access to the tanks during your visit (most of them are located on military bases).

I would be curious to get photos from the Sherman tanks too, especially from small hatches versions.

P-O


P-O, I'll bear that in mind. If I get to any military bases, though, I only expect to be able to take photos from outside the perimeter.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

I'm back from Brazil. I had a good time at the Linhares museum (350 photos), but was less successful at the army bases. At the first base we had a fairly unfriendly reception. At the second one we were nearly arrested, so decided to cut our losses and not visit any more bases! To finish we went to Sao Goncales to photograph the Lee in the public park.

I'll put all the pictures online as soon as I get the chance.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

Please note that "EB 11025" is a Stuart that comes from Brazil and is noiw part of the ASPHM association. Its serial number is 9995 (I was able to check it myself during a visit of the collection) :

http://www.asphm.com/projets/projet_m3a1_stuart_2/projet_m3a1_stuart.html

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- the_shadock
Please note that "EB 11025" is a Stuart that comes from Brazil and is noiw part of the ASPHM association. Its serial number is 9995 (I was able to check it myself during a visit of the collection) :

http://www.asphm.com/projets/projet_m3a1_stuart_2/projet_m3a1_stuart.html

P-O


Thanks for that, I'll follow that up soon.

In the meantime the first pictures from my Brazil trip are online (68 pictures, 4 tanks):


Unique ID 860: L3-35, Linhares




Unique ID 1053: Renault FT, Linhares




Unique ID 1815: M3 Stuart, Linhares




Unique ID 1733: M3A3 Lee, Linhares

[img]http:///PreservedTanks.com/Albums/American/1250-M3%20Lee%23Grant/IMG-6224_M3Lee_Linhares_AArchive_c.jpg[/img]

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum
I'm back from Brazil. I had a good time at the Linhares museum (350 photos), but was less successful at the army bases. At the first base we had a fairly unfriendly reception. At the second one we were nearly arrested, so decided to cut our losses and not visit any more bases! To finish we went to Sao Goncales to photograph the Lee in the public park.

I'll put all the pictures online as soon as I get the chance.


Trevor,
I'm sorry to hear that, but not really surprised, either. IME, there is a general paranoia about foreign visitors to military bases there and success is usually only realized if you have a connection at or near the very top (like the post CO) usually as a result of a referral from a current or former military contact. (I was married to a local and only got in when a retired officer and prominent local citizen greased the skids for us on a later visit...then everything was possible) This extends to even antique displays essentially on the the outskirts of the bases, of no possible security significance.

If you have occasion to visit Chile at some point, cameras are viewed with great suspicion at or near military installations as well. Oddly enough, you'd probably have a better chance in Colombia, though you can expect some thorough questioning and inspection, for understandable reasons.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Doug_Kibbey
Trevor,
I'm sorry to hear that, but not really surprised, either. IME, there is a general paranoia about foreign visitors to military bases there and success is usually only realized if you have a connection at or near the very top (like the post CO) usually as a result of a referral from a current or former military contact. (I was married to a local and only got in when a retired officer and prominent local citizen greased the skids for us on a later visit...then everything was possible) This extends to even antique displays essentially on the the outskirts of the bases, of no possible security significance.

If you have occasion to visit Chile at some point, cameras are viewed with great suspicion at or near military installations as well. Oddly enough, you'd probably have a better chance in Colombia, though you can expect some thorough questioning and inspection, for understandable reasons.


The odd thing was that, according to my driver/guide, my request to take the photographs was absolutely impossible on a Saturday or Sunday, but 'would have been fine any other day of the week'! - unless I simply misunderstood what he said.


Meanwhile, I've added some more pictures and info:


Unique ID 1390: M4 HST, Linhares




Unique ID 1514: M5 HST, Linhares




If anyone can identify the artillery pieces being towed by the M4 and M5 that would be appreciated, it's not my forte (as usual, click through for more photos).


Unique ID 1595: M4A1, Linhares




P.-O., I'm afraid this is the only Sherman I saw during my trip, and I didn't manage to find a serial number on it.



Unique ID 1727: M41B, Linhares




To give background to the M41B I have written up Bernardini, the upgraders:

Location 37580: Bernardini, Sao Paulo


_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum


The odd thing was that, according to my driver/guide, my request to take the photographs was absolutely impossible on a Saturday or Sunday, but 'would have been fine any other day of the week'! - unless I simply misunderstood what he said.



I think the dynamic is basically that it's always safer to say "No", unless you're the boss, because nobody is going to chew your enlisted or junior officer butt out for being cautious, whereas there is no upside to saying "Yes"...the only thing that can happen is that maybe they won't get into trouble. I know you're a seasoned traveler, but I generally always had the advantage of some local work or scientific/medical colleagues who both always spoke the local language and sometimes "knew a guy who knew a guy".

It took me three tries to get in at the 5th RCC in Rio Negro. Twice to get into the MkIV at Bucharest and once to get a personal tour of Parola by the commandant. Each time was due to a local contact who made some calls. The offer of any museum or library gift items you can exchange doesn't hurt either.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:46 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum

Unique ID 1595: M4A1, Linhares




P.-O., I'm afraid this is the only Sherman I saw during my trip, and I didn't manage to find a serial number on it.


Trevor,

this M4A1 was not manufactured by Pressed Steel Car, as stated on Preservedtanks.com, but by Pacific Car & Foundry. Here is a clear way to identify this tank as being a PCF-made tank :

http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a1_pcf.html

You can see that this M4A1 has all the items that make it a tank built by Pacific Car & Foundry.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
valls
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 27, 2010
Posts: 9
Location: Rio de Janeiro - BRASIL
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

If anyone can identify the artillery pieces being towed by the M4 and M5 that would be appreciated, it's not my forte (as usual, click through for more photos).


Both are Vickers Armstrong 7.2 in howitzers used by Brasilan Army heavy artillery units.

JAValls
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- the_shadock
Trevor,

this M4A1 was not manufactured by Pressed Steel Car, as stated on Preservedtanks.com, but by Pacific Car & Foundry. Here is a clear way to identify this tank as being a PCF-made tank :

http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/manufacturer/m4a1_pcf.html

You can see that this M4A1 has all the items that make it a tank built by Pacific Car & Foundry.

P-O


Many thanks. Pressed Steel was the only M4A1 manufacturer in my database so it defaulted to that manufacturer, and I was not able to tell the difference myself. I've updated the entry (thanks too to your Sherman Minutia website):

Unique ID 1595: Linhares PCF M4A1

I've also added an additional photo that highlights the lifting eyes and tail light guards.

Can we go any further with the detective work? I'm tempted to suggest that the turret markings ("PSF 11/44") indicate that the turret was manufactured by Pittsburgh Steel Foundry in November 1944. However, that would appear to contradict Kurt's foundry symbols PDF which suggests that 'PSF' was used in place of a star symbol from ca 1952. It would also imply that this turret was manufactured some time after the tank and retrofitted (perhaps by the Brazilians).

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:43 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum
Many thanks. Pressed Steel was the only M4A1 manufacturer in my database so it defaulted to that manufacturer, and I was not able to tell the difference myself. I've updated the entry (thanks too to your Sherman Minutia website):

Unique ID 1595: Linhares PCF M4A1

I've also added an additional photo that highlights the lifting eyes and tail light guards.

Can we go any further with the detective work? I'm tempted to suggest that the turret markings ("PSF 11/44") indicate that the turret was manufactured by Pittsburgh Steel Foundry in November 1944. However, that would appear to contradict Kurt's foundry symbols PDF which suggests that 'PSF' was used in place of a star symbol from ca 1952. It would also imply that this turret was manufactured some time after the tank and retrofitted (perhaps by the Brazilians).


Trevor,

according to Joe DeMarco, it is possible that PCF transitioned from "blocky" lifting rings to regular cast lifting rings in January or February 1943. If it is true, the tank located at Linhares was manufactured between January and November 1943, we could exclude a manufacture of that tank in 1942.

The turret is not original to that thank. It is a "high bustle" turret (part number D78461), usually found on large hatches M4A3(75) W. You can see a description of this particular turrets there :
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/turret_types/turret_types.html

This turret was either placed on the tank during wartime, or maybe after the war by the Brazilians, for an unknown reason, but it is not the turret the tank had when it left the factory.

Indeed, this turret was built by PSF in Novembre 1944. I think that there is a typo in Kurt's "foundry markings PDF file". I've already seen Sherman turrets with similar markings, and dated 8-43, or 6-43. Here is an example :




P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:57 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

Another quick note :

the cast lifting rings that can be seen on the tank at Linhares are not characteristic of PCF-made M4A1s.

Only the "blocky" lifting rings found on earlier PCF-made tanks are particular to Pacific Car & Foundry, here is an example :


The later "cast" lifting rings can be seen on other manufacturer"s tanks, like on Chrysler-made M4A4s, M4A3s and M4s for example :


so this is not a distinctive feature of a PCF-made tank. However, this is a distinctive featuer of a later PCF-made tank, given that the "blocky" lifting rings were probably replaced by the cast lifting rings in January or February 1943.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 3 of 4
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum