±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 781
Total: 781
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Downloads
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Downloads
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: CPGlang
46: CPGlang
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: CPGlang
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Downloads
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: CPGlang
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: CPGlang
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Statistics
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Home
114: Downloads
115: News
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Photo Gallery
124: Home
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Photo Gallery
132: Photo Gallery
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Statistics
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Downloads
142: Statistics
143: Community Forums
144: CPGlang
145: Your Account
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: News Archive
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Your Account
155: CPGlang
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Search
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: CPGlang
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: News
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Photo Gallery
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Member Screenshots
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Home
244: Community Forums
245: CPGlang
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: News
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Home
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: Member Screenshots
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Home
271: Photo Gallery
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: CPGlang
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Downloads
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Member Screenshots
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: News Archive
302: Downloads
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Member Screenshots
307: Home
308: Photo Gallery
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Photo Gallery
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: CPGlang
316: Home
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Your Account
342: Community Forums
343: Your Account
344: Community Forums
345: Statistics
346: Community Forums
347: Home
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Photo Gallery
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Photo Gallery
366: CPGlang
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: CPGlang
370: Home
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Member Screenshots
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: CPGlang
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: CPGlang
387: Downloads
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: CPGlang
400: Photo Gallery
401: Downloads
402: Statistics
403: Community Forums
404: Home
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: Community Forums
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Downloads
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Downloads
422: Downloads
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Photo Gallery
429: Community Forums
430: Photo Gallery
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Photo Gallery
435: Home
436: CPGlang
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: News Archive
440: Photo Gallery
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Downloads
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Home
451: Your Account
452: Photo Gallery
453: Downloads
454: Home
455: Photo Gallery
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Downloads
463: Community Forums
464: Photo Gallery
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: CPGlang
471: CPGlang
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Photo Gallery
478: Community Forums
479: Photo Gallery
480: Photo Gallery
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Home
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Photo Gallery
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Your Account
495: Home
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: CPGlang
499: Photo Gallery
500: Your Account
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Downloads
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Home
518: Downloads
519: CPGlang
520: Community Forums
521: Your Account
522: CPGlang
523: Member Screenshots
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: CPGlang
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Your Account
530: Community Forums
531: Photo Gallery
532: Downloads
533: Home
534: Downloads
535: Statistics
536: Photo Gallery
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: CPGlang
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Member Screenshots
546: Downloads
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Home
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Downloads
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Downloads
557: Photo Gallery
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Member Screenshots
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Photo Gallery
572: Downloads
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Your Account
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Photo Gallery
580: CPGlang
581: Photo Gallery
582: Home
583: Community Forums
584: Photo Gallery
585: Downloads
586: Photo Gallery
587: Home
588: Photo Gallery
589: Community Forums
590: Member Screenshots
591: Community Forums
592: Your Account
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Home
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: CPGlang
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Home
617: Downloads
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Downloads
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Photo Gallery
626: Your Account
627: Community Forums
628: Photo Gallery
629: Community Forums
630: News
631: Photo Gallery
632: Community Forums
633: Photo Gallery
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Photo Gallery
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: CPGlang
644: Photo Gallery
645: Downloads
646: Downloads
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: CPGlang
651: Downloads
652: Home
653: Photo Gallery
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Photo Gallery
660: Home
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Member Screenshots
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Photo Gallery
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: CPGlang
674: Community Forums
675: Photo Gallery
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Photo Gallery
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Photo Gallery
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Downloads
688: Community Forums
689: Home
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: CPGlang
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Downloads
700: Photo Gallery
701: Home
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Home
706: Home
707: Community Forums
708: Home
709: CPGlang
710: Community Forums
711: Downloads
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: Photo Gallery
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Home
719: Photo Gallery
720: CPGlang
721: Home
722: News
723: Photo Gallery
724: Home
725: Community Forums
726: Home
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Home
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Photo Gallery
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: News
742: Community Forums
743: Member Screenshots
744: Community Forums
745: Home
746: CPGlang
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Statistics
750: Member Screenshots
751: Home
752: News Archive
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Photo Gallery
756: Home
757: Your Account
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Home
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Photo Gallery
764: Downloads
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Photo Gallery
769: Member Screenshots
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Photo Gallery
774: Community Forums
775: News
776: Home
777: Community Forums
778: Downloads
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sherman Firefly hull question
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:18 am
Post subject: Sherman Firefly hull question

Hello,

I would like to know what are the things circled in red, that are seen on Sherman Vc (M4A4 Firefly) tanks. Thanks



P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 3:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

Hi P-O:

The central device contained smoke grenades. I believe there was a cable running into the fighting compartment that, when pulled, would open the boxes and drop the grenades. (It might have been electrical with a solenoid.)

The two brackets just outside the engine doors were mounts for a leaf spring that held the towing pintle.

The extreme two items are additional towing lugs added by the British.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

thanks Kurt.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
tankbarrell
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 56

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

Just to flesh out Kurts answer a little more, the smoke grenades were actually smoke generators, two to a box. Fired electrically by the driver, they smoked from within the box and you could then reverse into your smoke, leaving a trail behind you.

You had to manually release them from outside to change the generators, Comet being the first vehicle to allow remote opening which meant you could set them off, then drop them and leave them smoking somewhere!

The two extra eyes are for lashing down to landing craft when deep wading trunking is fitted as this obscured the original towing eyes.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 3:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

thanks Adrian, this is very interesting !!

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
tankbarrell
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 56

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 4:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

P-O, the other thing I meant to say is the features are not specific to the 17 pdr tanks, standard Sherman V can have these too.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

- tankbarrell
P-O, the other thing I meant to say is the features are not specific to the 17 pdr tanks, standard Sherman V can have these too.


Do your Sherman have these fittings too?

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
tankbarrell
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 56

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

It had the smoke generator boxes, the extra tow eyes and the vertical towbar, the ones in your picture being for the sprung type.

I have not refitted the generator boxes.
Back to top
View user's profile
bialy-r
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 06, 2009
Posts: 1233
Location: POLAND
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:00 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

www.racesteve.se/travelling.htm

at the end there is a "Sherman" - but the hull is strange - it's front plate.
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:16 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

The entire upper hull looks pretty strange to me, not to mention the lack of a mantlet. It's almost like it has a 47 degree front plate, but without fittings or hull MG mount. Plus, the taper of the rear hull side looks a bit too much. It's a mystery, all right.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

Hi Folks!

My call is that is a ViMod and not an original Sherman upper hull and the turret maybe a ViMod also.

Any idea where this vehicle is?

My 2 cents.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

According to the source site it's in Lebanon, so the VISMOD thing is rather dubious. I'm going to go with metal sheeting welded around the hull for some reason. As you can see, it covers the bolt strip on the top of the transmission housing, so it's probably an add-on. The upper edge of the front plates resting against the driver's and co-driver's cowls would give an angle close to 47 degrees. As for the turret, it appears that the outer mantlet has been removed and more rectangular plates welded over the inner mantlet covering the coax MG, telescopic sight and 17-pdr elevation slots. You can see the plates covering the coax and sight slots outlined if you enlarge the pic.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

I posted the picture on HMVF, Adrian Barrel reckons that the hull's a mock up, as is the gun mount.
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:08 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman Firefly hull question

My opinion is that there has been extra plate welded on the hull front. I think the rear angle is an optical illusion caused by the junk piled on the rear deck. The gun looks like a 17pdr but I'm mainly basing that on the muzzle brake

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum