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"New" Ordnance Museum Data Plates #2 Other German Vehicles
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:28 pm
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StuG III

StuG%20III StuG%20III StuH%2042 Hummel Wespe Sd.Kfz.%20234 Sd.Kfz.%20250 Sd.Kfz.%20250


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hello,

do these plates belong to surviving vehicles? If so, it would help to know the SNs of the vehicles that are part of the collection, because some numbers can be read quite easily.

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For the Hummel and Wespe, theoretically yes - since the museum was only known to have one of each. For others its more difficult. For example the museum has/had two StuH 42s - so which one has the above number?

I'll double check against my spreadsheet and post more later.
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Neil, Thanks for sharing the info. Has the Museum moved files and photos to Ft. Lee yet? I did some research in the little archives "room" at Aberdeen years ago, after Dan O'Brian was gone. Col. Jarrett was the curator prior to O'Brian, and his collection is in Carlisle thus where I got most older APG photos. Rick
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For the Hummel and Wespe, theoretically yes - since the museum was only known to have one of each. For others its more difficult. For example the museum has/had two StuH 42s - so which one has the above number?

I'll double check against my spreadsheet and post more later.
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More comparison:

StuGs

Only have info on two in the collection:

StuG III 40 Ausf G (FMAR267, no SN info). Still at APG?

www.primeportal.net/ta...php?Page=3

StuG 40 F/8 (FMAR318, no SN info). At the Royal Army and Military History Museum, Brussels.

www.afvregister.org/De...AfvID=4756

StuHs

Two, one early, one late:

StuH 42 (Early model) (FMAR266, no SN Info) Still at APG? www.flickr.com/photos/...474291167/

StuH 42 (Late model) (FMAR1275, no SN info) Still at APG? www.primeportal.net/ta...php?Page=1

PzH 18/1 Hummel

FMAR748, SN 320180. WTS Koblenz in Germany.

GW PzKpfw II Wespe

FMAR1003. Formerly at WTS Koblenz, then in Wheatcroft's hands, now in storage at an airbase in the UK.

www.ammssydney.com/con...Wespe.html

Sd.Kfz.234s

Three were in the museum's collection - all presumed destroyed:

Sd.Kfz. 234/1 sPz Sp Wg (FMCV179, no SN info).
Sd.Kfz. 234/2 Puma (FMCV98, no SN info). img.photobucket.com/al...V98-Sd.jpg
Sd.Kfz. 234/3 sPz Sp Wg (FMCV144, no SN info).


Sd.Kfz.250s

Two were in the museum's collection - also presumed destroyed:

Sd.Kfz. 250/5 (FMCV35, no SN Info). img.photobucket.com/al...CV35-c.jpg
Sd.Kfz. 250/9 (FMCV243, no SN info). img.photobucket.com/al...243-Sd.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:34 pm
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Uh - The one you have marked Hummel appears to have 7.5 Stu written on the tag. As I remember it a Hummel is a 150mm (15 cm)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:49 pm
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Thus either a Stug, or maybe an Sdkfz251/9 or /22?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:41 pm
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Good point, but the actual plate (with holes in it) says Hummel...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:55 pm
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Interesting revelation about the Hummel data plate - it is from a _second_ Hummel.

Here is the data plate for the museum's Hummel: SN 320180

And%20here%20is%20the%20\"new\"%20Hummel%20data%20plate:%20SN%2032049x%20(hole%20in%20the%20plate)

I wonder if these plates were given away because they were from scrapped vehicles? Or perhaps taken from destroyed vehicles on the battlefield?

Neil


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Matching more chassis numbers against info from Panzer Profiles:

StuG chassis numbers 92375, 107530 and 1077550 matches Ausf Gs like the plates say, any of which could match FMAR267. Similarly, StuH 42s were built on Ausf G chassis, so chassis number 107578 could be a match.

Finally, chassis number 32118 matches a Wespe. Hard to know whether this is the museum's Wespe or not...

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