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Preserved Tanks in Switzerland
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I am fine with wrecks, I think it's unpractical to try and track down range targets.
You may want to take notes about these Pz 68s in Thun:
maps.google.com/maps/m...3,0.001635

As far as I know they are missing their power-packs and they are ballasted to simulate Leopard 2 weight. They are used for tank recovery training.

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I am fine with wrecks, I think it's unpractical to try and track down range targets.
You may want to take notes about these Pz 68s in Thun:
maps.google.com/maps/m...3,0.001635

As far as I know they are missing their power-packs and they are ballasted to simulate Leopard 2 weight. They are used for tank recovery training.

Massimo


Thanks, will do.


Meanwhile, pictures from Chris of the Pz 68 at Hinterrhein:

Unique ID 1257: Hinterrhein Panzer 68


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Photos from Chris of Alex Hagenbuch's vehicles, taken at the Militär-Oldtimer and Convoy to Remember events:

Location ID 17720: Hagenbuch Collection, Hilfikon

The%20Panzer%2068%20photos%20include%20an%20Entpannungspanzer%2065%20in%20the%20background.%20It's%20new%20to%20me%20so%20I've%20added%20it%20to%20the%20CTR%20page%20for%20now,%20though%20I%20suspect%20it%20also%20belongs%20to%20Hagenbuch.%20Any%20information%20anyone%20has%20would%20be%20appreciated: Location%20ID%2017745:%20Convoy%20To%20Remember,%20Birmenstorf

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Photos from Chris of Alex Hagenbuch's vehicles, taken at the Militär-Oldtimer and Convoy to Remember events:


I've seen the same G-13 in Kradolf last year:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4249113513


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The Panzer 68 photos include an Entpannungspanzer 65 in the background. It's new to me so I've added it to the CTR page for now, though I suspect it also belongs to Hagenbuch. Any information anyone has would be appreciated:


Very hard to tell. I have a list of privately own Pz 61 and 68, not Entpannungspanzer. I know one is in Wildegg, its r/n is M-78648

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Trevor, if you are working on Switzerland, let me know on which location, there are still quite a bunch of new or moved tanks.

From time to time I play with the idea of creating a country register on Switzerland, but there are many private collections that makes things pretty complicated...

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I am fine with wrecks, I think it's unpractical to try and track down range targets.
You may want to take notes about these Pz 68s in Thun:
maps.google.com/maps/m...3,0.001635

As far as I know they are missing their power-packs and they are ballasted to simulate Leopard 2 weight. They are used for tank recovery training.

Massimo


I've added these to the end of the Thun museum entry - at a later date I may split them off, a bit like I did for RUAG:

Thun Panzermuseum


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I've seen the same G-13 in Kradolf last year:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4249113513


Yes, when I went to look it up in my PTIS manuscript, I saw I already had a link there to your photos to remind me to add them - sorry!


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I have a list of privately own Pz 61 and 68, not Entpannungspanzer. I know one is in Wildegg, its r/n is M-78648


I wondered as you list the Thun one in the Pz 61 register. Also I know you have photos of at least the one at Burgdorf. I'll return to these, and some more I discovered today.


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Trevor, if you are working on Switzerland, let me know on which location, there are still quite a bunch of new or moved tanks.


Currently I'm just responding to the photos that Chris emailed me. Soon, I hope tp return to working on Switzerland more thoroughly. I'll finally put online all the photos you sent me (much appreciated) and I'll work through all the locations with you. The shear quantity is a bit daunting so I want to make some progress on Netherlands before I return to working on Switzerland 'full time'.

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I wondered as you list the Thun one in the Pz 61 register. Also I know you have photos of at least the one at Burgdorf. I'll return to these, and some more I discovered today.


The one in Thun Panzermuseum is a special vehicle, the unique prototype based on Pz 61's hull. Production vehicles were based on Pz 68.

I will have pictures from Wildegg available online pretty soon.

As I said in the past, for me it's more important to have more and up to date data than to increase the amount of pictures

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The one in Thun Panzermuseum is a special vehicle, the unique prototype based on Pz 61's hull. Production vehicles were based on Pz 68.


Ah, I didn't know that. Maybe I need to split them in my database. I'll think about that.


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As I said in the past, for me it's more important to have more and up to date data than to increase the amount of pictures


A lot of the data comes from the photos (registrations, markings, condition, events/new locations, etc.) and I tend to update the data as I add new photos. So for me the two go hand in hand.

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The one in Thun Panzermuseum is a special vehicle, the unique prototype based on Pz 61's hull. Production vehicles were based on Pz 68.


Ah, I didn't know that. Maybe I need to split them in my database. I'll think about that.


I would like to add Entpannungspanzer to the Pz 68 PDF, but I am afraid at this stage I will miss many if not most of them.
Thanks to Tobias Haudenschild I've got a very good list of former Swiss Army tanks around the world, but that doesn't include ARV and bridglayer tanks.
On the other hand, you have to start somewhere, so an incomplete list is still better than nothing... Sooner or later I'll add whatever I know and ask around for more.

I think I also have a good starting point to create a PDF for ex-swiss Centurions, but that's lower priority for me.

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A lot of the data comes from the photos (registrations, markings, condition, events/new locations, etc.) and I tend to update the data as I add new photos. So for me the two go hand in hand.


Your backlog will keep increasing up to a level that not even an early retirement would allow you to cope with it Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Photo's from Chris of the vehicles at Schaffhausen. That's the last of them, I'll now resume working on tanks in the Netherlands (I recently started on Amersfoort).

Schaffhausen


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I would like to add Entpannungspanzer to the Pz 68 PDF, but I am afraid at this stage I will miss many if not most of them.
On the other hand, you have to start somewhere, so an incomplete list is still better than nothing...


Absolutely! If you do so let me know and I'll send you what I have.

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Your backlog will keep increasing up to a level that not even an early retirement would allow you to cope with it :lol: :lol: :lol:


I hope you're wrong - I've recently been considering early retirement as the only solution! I'm putting about 1000 tanks online per year, and I estimate there are 10000-20000 tanks out there, therefore...

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Photo's from Chris of the vehicles at Schaffhausen. That's the last of them


You are missing a G-13 and Zielpanzer in Schaffhausen:
www.flickr.com/photos/...5323810174

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Very hard to tell. I have a list of privately own Pz 61 and 68, not Entpannungspanzer. I know one is in Wildegg, its r/n is M-78648


... number is M+78681 and I don't know who she belongs to.

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You are missing a G-13 and Zielpanzer in Schaffhausen:
www.flickr.com/photos/...5323810174

Massimo


Thanks - I've made a note to return to them.


Meanwhile some more pictures from Chris:

Unique ID 2317: Entpannungspanzer 65 M78681

Location%20ID%2017170:%20Armeemotorfahrzeugpark%20(AMP),%20Burgdorf [img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/Locations/Switzerland/17170-Armeemotorfahrzeugpark%20%28AMP%29/2-Location_Burgdorf_CZimmerli_c.jpg[/img]

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