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RAF92_Moser
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Well folks,

It's been a while since CFS3 came to us in 2002. I remember recieving it at Christmas..my first flight sim. Oh, those were the days. Times have changed though. When I came to CC in summer 2004, this place was a thriving with CFS3 squads. But IL-2 had some recent additions, and just like that...it became deserted. I too left CFS3...but it's time to wipe that dust off that old CD.

A%20Mossie%20over%20Switzerland%20(compliments%2046th-Design%20Team) Now%20let's%20remember%20CFS3%20is%20no%20IL-2.%20IL-2%20has%20the%20latest%20state%20of%20the%20art%20flight%20physics%20models...while%20CFS3%20does%20the%20traditional%20table%20model%20(not%20like%20their%20not%20complex...I'm%20thinking%201%%20spreadsheet)%20Graphics%20wise..IL-2%20has%20better%20water%20and%20environments%20with%20OpenGl%20and%20DirectX%20options.%20Multiplayer..on%20a%20daily%20basis%20IL-2%20has%20about%20800-1000%20members%20online%20at%20any%20single%20moment.%20But%20it%20always%20seemed%20to%20me%20that%20CFS3%20had%20something%20that%20IL-2%20never%20had.%20 The%20CFS3%20community%20is%20small%20now.%20The%20most%20games%20up%20I%20saw%20at%20one%20time%20were%20about%2015-20.%20Actually,%20not%20bad...Squads%20are%20rare,%20mostly%20MOG,%20IMS,%20MPI,%20FF,%20AARP..and%20maybe%20a%20lone%20{92}%20in%20the%20mix%20xD.%20Development%20is%20still%20very%20active%20in%20the%20community.%20We%20know%20about%20the%20current%20WWI%20mod%20called%20OFF%20(www.off.oldbrowndog.net)%20and%20the%20upcoming%20release%20of%20Mediteranean%20Air%20War%20(www.medairwar.com) Single%20player%20is%20where%20CFS3%20still%20lives.%20I%20prefer%20it%20over%20IL-2,%20basically%20because%20the%20extensibility%20of%20Quick%20Combat,%20and%20the%20great%20dynamic%20campaign.%20%20Just%20imagine%20yourself: You're%20surrounded%20by%20flak...one%20engine%20of%20your%20B-17%20is%20gone...you%20try%20desperately%20to%20keep%20the%20plane%20lined%20up%20for%20the%20target...P-51s%20are%20trying%20to%20fight%20off%20the%20109%20buzzards%20while%20your%20tailgunners%20are%20blasting%20away...all%20of%20this%20at%2019000%20ft...the%20fate%20of%20the%20ground%20offensive%20depends%20on%20you..will%20you%20make%20it? With%20the%20addition%20of%203rd-party%20scenery%20and%20aircraft%20CFS3%20single%20player%20lives%20up%20to%20a%20lot%20of%20my%20needs.%20Just%20go%20to%20Avhistory...and%20don't%20worry%20that%20place%20isn't%20dead%20even%20though%20it%20hasn't%20been%20updated%20in%20months...all%20the%20developers%20are%20busy%20with%20MAW...go%20look%20and%20see%20for%20yourself.%20And%20cross%20your%20fingers%20for%20that%20breakthrough%204.0%20physics%20models%20they%20are%20going%20to%20release%20with%20MAW. The%20Avhistory%201%%20RAF%20Mustang%20Mk%20III%20 Multiplayer%20is%20still%20fun,%20even%20with%20our%20absence%20of%20major%20squads.%20Finding%20a%20realistic%20room%20can%20be%20a%20hassle%20though,%20but%20every%20once%20in%20a%20while%20you%20will%20find%20one%20with%20at%20least%2075%%20realism.%20I%20miss%20the%20days%20of%20No%20Guts%20No%20Glory,%20quite%20possibly%20the%20funnest%20flight%20combat%20experience%20I%20ever%20had.%20Man,%20I%20miss%20those%20days. A%20view%20of%20Interlaken%20over%20my%20Fw-190's%20wing,(somehow%20CFS3%20will%20download%20extra%20scenery%20without%20the%20airfields%20or%20facilities,%20just%20the%20terrain,%20even%20if%20you%20do%20not%20have%20it%20installed.%20Example%20above)%20 Perhaps%20the%20biggest%20nostalgia%20I%20ever%20had%20was...the%20airshow.%20\"No%20shooting..allied%20planes%20only\".%20We%20had%20the%20best%20of%20times%20in%20my%20opinion%20in%20those%20airshows.%20And%20what%20makes%20me%20really%20happy...they%20still%20LIVE%20ON!!! Yep,%20a%20airshow%20was%20up..and%20I%20was%20the%20first%20to%20be%20there.%20I%20met%20with%20the%20host%20and%20we%20base%20hopped.%20Pretty%20soon%20the%20room%20filled%20up%20with%20members%20and%20we%20practiced%20landings,%20taxiing,%20formation%20takeoffs.etc...unbelievable%20memories%20came%20back.%20%20 A%20Kodak%20moment....note%20my%20enthusiasm%20in%20the%20chat..lol. We%20still%20have%20our%20bad%20boys%20though...everyonce%20in%20a%20while...that%20lone%20b-25%20you%20kept%20your%20eye...yeh...it%20will%20drop%20ordinance%20on%20your%20position.%20Haha...nothing%20changes. Who%20did%20it?
A modern day CFS3 Room

But people still have their arguments...well "CFS3 was an unfinished pile of poop" or "CFS3 was the worst game ever made", but I have concluded that flight sims are fun to different individuals. IL-2 is great, but honestly it cannot recreate the fun I once had in CFS3. For me, CFS3 is anything but dead.

Maybe more comments later!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:12 pm
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Cheers Moser

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:53 pm
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WOW!!!! Really enjoyed that, Moser!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:06 pm
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Me to

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:13 pm
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Looks like I missed the heyday but I think this sim still has a lot of life left. Great piece, thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:04 am
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You made me look where I did leave that cfs3 disc Wink

Nice post to read post Moser, and indeed every sim has it's own pro's and con's.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:14 pm
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Excellent post Moser, I too may re-install and have another look at CFS3.
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Hey, a HUGE ~S~ for the comments everyone.

To really get CFS3 running to my satisfaction was through the excellent help of the Com-Central Tweak 'n Tune guide. That really sorted out the stutters and improved quality with increased performance. Thank you so much Stoopy.

I'm waiting for MAW, which developers are aiming for a spring release. This addon will give you a complete new theatre, with the addition of about 100 planes, all up to the 4.0 standards (still a mystery how this will behave). Should be a blast.

And the very great 46th-Design team website was lost in a crash, but its great downloads are available at Netwings. I heard news about a possible 4.0 scenery to be release as most of us know of the incredible extended scenery package they produced.

And there is a dambuster project coming soon, if not released. I saw a video and the skipping bomb looks great.

Give CFS3 another go. If your a huge IL-2 fan, don't instantly uninstall it if you doesn't give the great impression. The community is excellent, even if small, and there is no patch whining either Smile They work hard to create free individual addons, fixes, alternatives, and FUN we all enjoy.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:31 pm
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Moser that was an outstanding post! Brought back many great memories of those times. Thank you!



....and who could forget Cheap Shot! Oh! Those were the days!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:42 pm
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I am sorry I wish I could say the same about cfs 3. I only played it for about 2 -3 months. Then I quit flight sims.... However cfs 1-2 was the games too play I about had the most fun ever well "online" playing for SOS in cfs 1 and 2 it was a blast those was the good ole days. Wish it could be liek that but ti will never be. Only thing that we can count on int his world is change.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:49 pm
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~S!~ Moser!

I am an active participant in CFS3. Granted, I haven't played IL2 or even FS2004/FS9. CFS3 has always met my expectations and provided me a great time either on my own in a campaign, or slinging my one o' nine around on the tail of one of those pesky spits online. I have been talking to my sty-mates about how I wish I had been around for the heydays as well when squads ruled the skies and WEC was alive and well for CFS3. It would be great to see a re-birth.

I think MAW will be the start of that. If nothing else, people will want to see what it is all about, that alone my spark enough interest to get folks back online, if nothing more than for a little while. I still see Squads out there, again mainly the ones you had mentioned, to include the FF! I have been a few rounds with Rufus and Canuck.

Well, enough of my rambling. If there is enough interest, who needs WEC? I've been aching to try my hand at a cheapshot game, or the river race I have heard so much about. Next time your on, I host airshows often, stop in for a flight!

Again, ~S~ Moser!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:54 am
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Well written Moser.
My lack of enthusiasm is due to the lack of high percentage games as you mentioned. Occasionally when I am on late night for me, I will find the Mules in the mountains, or some other hardcore game in the 90% range. But, for the most part it is 30-50% turn and burn with 30 ft spawns. Click START, pull the trigger, and fly til you drop.
Oh, for the days of NGNG again!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:53 am
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I wouldn't mind a few of those myself. unfortunatly I don't think the planes are available anywhere for new-comers
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What were the NGNG Planes?

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Hunt the NGNG planes were painted florescent colours so that they could be seen when playing with no tags.Many people liked to play at 100% realism but it was just too hard on the eyes trying to spot the planes or to figure out if the were friendly or not.NGNG stands for no guts no glory.twas fun.

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