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Wingy's 3 Hour Tour Bush Flight :: Archived
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:55 pm
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Wingy’s 3 hour Tour Bush Flight

Welcome to the first in a new series of Com-Central Bush Flights. As the new moderator, it’s my job to come up with the new flights. I encourage any and all advice, suggestions, and ideas for flights. At first, I won’t have a flight every week, but I will try to get one out as often as I can. This first flight was a mixture charters from a tour company, and several corporations for transport of personnel and supplies across the main island of Luzon in the Philippines. It includes several flights to resort communities for several groups of vacationers, with an over flight of a local sight-seeing location, and several flights to larger fields and business locations with passengers. The details follow:

Clark Intl. (RPL) to Manila, Nino Aquino Intl. (RPLL)
5 corporate executives with luggage going to meetings at various locations in Manila..
1. 175 lb. man with 50 lbs. luggage.
2. 130 lb. woman with 45 lbs. luggage.
3. 190 lb. man with 40 lbs. luggage.
4. 125 lb. woman with 30 lbs. luggage.
5. 230 lb. man with 60 lbs. luggage.

1 Marine Sargeant enroute Manila for posting in Embassy.
170 lbs. with 75 lb. duffel bag.

1 newly married couple returning to Manila to catch inter-island ship to go to visit womans family on island of Samar.
175 lb. man with 75 lbs. luggage & 120 lb. woman with 50 lbs. luggage.

The next leg is:
Manila, Nino Aquino Intl. (RPLL) to Subic Bay (RPLB) airport Via intersections DOHER & SIRCA.
This is a group of combined WW2 and Vietnam era Veterans, several with wives, that were stationed in Subic Bay Navy Base and Corregidor. 2 of the WW2 vets were former POW’s from the Bataan death march.
WW2 Vets
1. 150 lb man with 40 lbs. luggage with 160 lb wife & 45 lbs luggage *pow
2. 160 lb. man with 45 lbs. luggage with 130 lb. wife & 35 lbs luggage.
3. 120 lb. man with 60 lbs. luggage.
4. 190 lb. man with 50 lbs. luggage. *pow

Vietnam Era Vets
1. 150 lb. man with 45 lbs. luggage.
2. 175 lb. man with 50 lbs. luggage.
3. 135 lb. man with 75 lbs. luggage with 130 lb wife & 80 lbs luggage.

At Subic you are to pickup and transport 8 boxes of medical supplies to Lingayen.
Subic Bay (RPLB) to Lingayen (RPUG)

8 boxes of medical supplies @ 75 lbs. each.

The last legs of the flight are a 5 tour flights from Clark Intl. to Manila, and over Subic, Lingayen, to Baguio City for shopping, then to San Fernando, La Union for over night stay at local resort hotel. The next morning they will over fly the Banaue Rice Terraces and back to Clark.

The passenger list is as follows. 12 couples with luggage ---- Est. 170 lbs. each for men, and 145 each for women and est. 50 lbs. each for luggage.

This flight plan is as follows;

Clark Intl. (RPLC)

1. Manila, Nino Aquino Intl. (RPLL).
2. Intersection DOHER
3. Intersection SIRCA.
4. Lingayen (RPUG)
5. Baguio (RPUB)
6. San Fernando (RPUS)
7. Mrmp (RP0D)
8. Return to Clark Intl. (RPLC)

I hope you all like the flights, and please post when done. If possible fly all flights on the FS host server so others can join in.

The final tour flight plan can be downloaded here: 216.176.86.154/wingnut...ingy_1.zip

Wingnut

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:13 am
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Great start Wingy and I'll see if I can get part of that done asap... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:26 am
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I want to point out that you will only see normal textures over the rice terraces, they aren't modeled in the sim. They are in the large deep valley before enter the valley where Mrmp is located.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:27 pm
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Well hey hey, I flew the first 3 legs today and it's a great flight so far, nice work Wingnut!

Let's see.... first up, starting from Clark Intl., got the 5 execs, the Sergeant, and the married couple with all the luggage and bags and stuff, and crammed 'em into the JG300 Hunk O'Junkers for the first leg to Nino Aquino Intl. (RPLL)

My math came up with 1315 lbs of people (plus I added a 245-lb pilot and 230-lb pilot - we eat good at the Pigsty) and 425 lbs of luggage altogether.

My screenshot of the loadout didnt come out (FRAPS doesnt capture that menu, did ya know that? I didn't). So you'll have to trust me on that.

We loaded 'em up and cranked the engines up after dawn.... real weather produced a marine layer, broken clouds and haze with visibility at 10 miles, winds out of 280 at 1 knot.

Once%20aloft,%20the%20haze%20burned%20off%20and%20no%20problemos%20on%20the%20trip%20out....Set%20'er%20down%20at%20RPLL.... ...and%20loaded%20up%20the%20WWII%20and%20VN%20vets%20for%20the%20flight%20to%20Subic:%20%20The%20WW2%20Vets%20(6%20folks%20in%20all)%20and%20the%20VN%20vets%20(4%20of%20them)%20gets%20a%20total%20of%201500%20lbs%20plus%20crew,%20and%20525%20lbs%20of%20luggage%20n'stuff.%20%20Not%20even%20stressing%20the%20ol'%20red%20tin%20can%20they%20were%20strapped%20into. Was%20a%20REAL%20purty%20day%20for%20flying,%20on%20this%20leg.... Subic%20Bay%20RPLB%20approach%20was%20nice%20and%20easy,%20the%20Ju-52%20used%20less%20than%20half%20the%20runway%20there... We%20got%20everyone%20off%20OK%20and%20loaded%20up%20the%208%20boxes%20of%20medical%20supplies%[email protected]%2075%20lbs.%20each%20for%20a%20total%20payload%20of%20only%20600%20pounds%20-%20pretty%20light%20compared%20to%20the%20earlier%20legs. Said%20goodbye%20to%20Subic%20and%20headed%20on%20out%20for%20RPUG: Some%20haze%20and%20marine%20layer%20started%20showing%20up%20near%20the%20coast%20there%20and%20RPUG%20didn't%20exactly%20stand%20out....basically%20made%20a%20right-hand%20approach%20and%20entered%20the%20pattern%20on%20the%20base%20leg.... ...probably%20just%20a%20touch%20high,%20but%20the%20Junkers%20has%20some%20mighty%20flaps%20and%20is%20an%20awesome%20short-field%20performer... So%20we%20unloaded%20the%20stuff%20and%20took%20a%20smoke%20break%20by%20the%20beach.%20%20Nothing%20flammable%20in%20them%20boxes,%20is%20there? Here's%20the%20flight%20analysis%20gizmo-thingy%20for%20those%203%20legs:

So now I have a question: I'm sitting at RPUG and wondering what to load for the next flight. If I'm reading the description right, I'm now at the part that says:

The last legs of the flight are a 5 tour flights from Clark Intl. to Manila, and over Subic, Lingayen, to Baguio City for shopping, then to San Fernando, La Union for over night stay at local resort hotel. The next morning they will over fly the Banaue Rice Terraces and back to Clark.

The passenger list is as follows. 12 couples with luggage ---- Est. 170 lbs. each for men, and 145 each for women and est. 50 lbs. each for luggage.

This flight plan is as follows;

Clark Intl. (RPLC)
1. Manila, Nino Aquino Intl. (RPLL).
2. Intersection DOHER
3. Intersection SIRCA.
4. Lingayen (RPUG)
5. Baguio (RPUB)
6. San Fernando (RPUS)
7. Mrmp (RP0D)
8. Return to Clark Intl. (RPLC)


So, if I understand it right, now I load up the 12 couples with luggage (Estimating 170 lbs. each for men, and 145 each for women, and 50 lbs. each for luggage). Which would be 415 lbs per couple x 12 couples = 4,980 lbs, right?

Then those folks and their stuff gets flown on all the remaining legs to:

5. Baguio (RPUB)
6. San Fernando (RPUS)
7. Mrmp (RP0D)
8. Return to Clark Intl. (RPLC)

...probably setting it up to arrive at RP0D at dusk, and departing the next dawn for RPLC.

Is that correct? Not sure because this doesn't make 5 flights (it'd be 4) and I'd be starting from Lingayen (RPUG), not Clark ("The last legs of the flight are a 5 tour flights from Clark Intl....").

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Wingy's 3 Hour Tour Bush Flight

Nope, they be at Clark for the pickup. You follow all the legs with an overnight at San Fernando. They will be doing a couple hrs shopping at Bagio. Simulate that by doing a full stop & shutdown, then on to San Fernando. To simulate an overnight, reset the clocks for 10:00am the next morning and finish the flight.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:46 pm
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OK, just to confirm....

The next leg in the flightplan from where I am sitting on the ground now has me going to RPUB, so I ignore that and just go back to Clark empty, pick up the 2+ tons of married folk, then haul 'em back to RPUG (where the medical suplies are) then on to RPUB, etc to complete the rest of the unfinished legs on the GPS flight plan, for the rest of the stops RPUS, RP0D (stayin' overnight and hopefully not in a room next to these newlyweds) and back to Clark (RPLC), right?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:07 pm
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I got one other question too.....



I flew back to Clark to pick those 24 people up, and we never even started the engines because they all were complaining about having to sit on each other's laps (The Junkers only has 13 seats). You'd think married couples would enjoy that but I guess some of them have been married TOO long

So I'm lookin' to see what else is on the ramp and the Howard won't cut it either...maybe the cargo version if I make 'em sit on the floor, but I took a look in back and I'm short on seats there too.

I'm thinkin' DC-3, and wasn't there a Com-C Bush flying paint for the stock DC-3? Looked in the download section, nuthin.....maybe I'm losing it....

I'd consider something with turboprops except I'm trying to keep fuel costs down and make a buck for CC here....the Hunk O'Junkers was perfect, given the paltry amount these people paid for their tickets...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:11 pm
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It's a tour group. The flight is over the entire route again, they want to see where Corregedor and Bataan are, and then the shopping at Bagio. I flew the entire trip with a landing at all fields in just over a total of 3 hours, depending on the speed of the aircraft. I was in a Cessna Caravan. The only landings are at Bagio and San Fernando with take off and final landings at Clark.

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Okee Dokeee...... I'll assume then that, being a tour group, they all want to stick together and not be split up, so I'm looking for recommendations on something to haul those 24 bodies around in... a Cessna Caravan might be just a little too tight (are they short or something?).

Anyone know if there was a CC-Bush repaint for the DC-3 or am I dreaming?

I had to get my "Junkers fix" for the first part, but now would like to fly the CC colors if there's a suitable painted-up airframe that can handle the mission....if not, and if they want a REALLY good view, I could pack 'em in the back of a CH-47 Chinook and do the flight with the rear cargo ramp down...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:20 am
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Cool

You've got mail Stoopy Wink


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:13 pm
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It's ok to break them up into smaller groups, so long as you keep the couples together. That's what bush flying is, if you want to do it in 2 flights, or 12 they paid for the trips. They were told to expect the possibilities of smaller planes and individual couples not to fly with the overall group. They did pay for some comfort, so packed in a cargo helo won't do, seating is a must, even if it is web troop seats. The idea is that they still want to see the country side around the flight, especially when you get up around that leg over the rice terraces. Personnally I would use something like the Howard, Beech D-18 or even your Junkers for the flights. You can put several couples together in some comfort. Angeles City, where they are staying is a nice place to do some shopping. I should know, I lived there for 2 years, and when last I heard, an ex-wife still lives there. Of course, its been a long time since I've heard anything about her.

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