±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: nbrich1
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6596

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 68
Total: 68
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Photo Gallery
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Downloads
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: News
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:49 pm
Post subject: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Somua S 35. The French like to claim the Sherman was based on the S 35. Apparently it was a very well liked tank in the French army - so much so that Free French soldiers applied S 35 "Somua" badges to their Shermans...

KV-1C,%20looking%20very%20impressive... M4A4%20Sherman%20Firefly I%20used%20my%20zoom%20to%20to%20get%20this%20side%20shot%20of%20the%20two%20T23s%20in%20storage...%20Still%20cant%20find%20anything%20to%20identify%20an%20RN,%20etc...%20Oh%20yeah,%20and%20no%20idea%20what%20that%20is%20sticking%20out%20of%20the%20hull%20MG%20port%20on%20the%20nearer%20one.%20Supposedly%20they%20were%20used%20as%20a%20camera%20mount%20or%20something%20like%20that%20on%20a%20range,%20maybe%20it%20had%20to%20do%20with%20that...%20 This%20T-55(?)%20from%20NGIC%20has%20been%20sitting%20outside%20the%20restoration%20facility%20for%20a%20while...%20And%20yes%20thats%20my%20new%20(since%20February)%20Mustang%20sitting%20in%20the%20background%20;) Okay,%20this%20one's%20not%20an%20AFV....%20This%20artillery%20piece%20just%20came%20out%20of%20storage.%20Museum%20staff%20said%20it%20was%20a%20Soviet%20122?%20But%20I%20cant%20find%20it%20in%20the%20museum%20guide%20CD...%20Any%20identification%20help%20would%20be%20appreciated...%20Jim,%20I'm%20looking%20in%20your%20direction%20;)

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Did you measure the muzzle? I thought it might be a Soviet 152

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Ed said it was a 122, and I had nothing to measure the muzzle with (mental note for the next trip I guess)... You're probably right though, too big to be a 122... Only markings I could find on the breech were the German words "feuer" (fire) and "sicher" (?). Of course that probably just means it was a Soviet piece that was used by the Germans and subsequently captured by US forces - like many of the Soviet pieces in the Ordnance Museum collection.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

I wouldn't want to question Ed Smile He is pretty good and knows that we aren't just 'average tourists' Smile

I think most Soviet 122s had a gun shield with a scalloped top edge. But if it was one captured in 1941 and reworked by the Germans that may not be true.

Ok, get a cheap tape measure and throw it in the glove compartment of the Mustang so we don't hear that excuse again Smile

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])


Last edited by bsmart on Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:43 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 696

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Nice pics Neil! Thanks for sharing them. The artillery piece is either a Russian 152mm 1910/34 or a 152mm ML20. IIRC, the APG Firefly is actually based on a M4A2.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 1434
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

- Neil_Baumgardner

Okay, this one's not an AFV.... This artillery piece just came out of storage. Museum staff said it was a Soviet 122? But I cant find it in the museum guide CD... Any identification help would be appreciated... Jim, I'm looking in your direction Wink


its an ML-20 Mod 1937.. probably ex-german booty.

152mm BTW

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Cloudy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 05, 2006
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

- Neil_Baumgardner
"sicher" (?)
Neil


Probably "gesichert" - made safe or secured
Back to top
View user's profile
Dirk
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 115
Location: South Africa
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:36 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Super pics - thanks for posting Smile

About the T55 photo - the AFV tracks packed right next to the T55 external stores - any idea to what AFV they belong to ?

Perhaps a Bren Gun Carrier ?

Thanks

Dirk
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:16 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

I think the British Mk VI Light tank is in refurb now, they might be from that. But there are various tracks laying around the refurb facility that have been there for a while (look at the KV-1 photo) so matching any set with a vehicle would only be a guess. I am pretty sure the museum doesn't have a Bren or Universal carrier in it's collection.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:58 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

BTW, with regard to the Bliss York, the Ordnance Museum's XM247 Sergeant York was still sitting in the storage yard where it has been for several years.

However, there was a report a couple years ago of the Ordnance Museum getting a second York... It was started when someone spotted a York on a truck on I-95. Dr Atwater confirmed to me that the Ordnance Museum had just acquired a York from the Charlotte Veterans Home in Maryland. However, I never saw it around the publicly-accessible area of APG. Quite possibly it went right behind the fence, stayed there, and went straight to Bliss (assuming it is the same York).

The odd thing of course is it never being seen on APG by anyone. Generally, when something is about to move somewhere, its brought out from behind the fence and sits around the warehouse, restoration facility or storage yard for a number of weeks before it goes to its final destination. One might also have thought that it would have gone through the restoration facility before going to Bliss <shrug>

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:12 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Restoration facility is subject to budget and schedule. It may have been that it was sent to APG (maybe even the Edgewood annex) as a convienent spot to inventory and load it for rail shipment.

But that is all just speculation

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:32 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

Are the Somua and KV going back on an outdoor display or moving indoors/under cover?
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:36 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

I suspect they will go back on display behind the museum... Or I suppose they could create a new row of tanks on Maryland Blvd. Otherwise not sure where they would put them...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:51 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

- bsmart
I think the British Mk VI Light tank is in refurb now, they might be from that.


Well, hopefully it will be in refurb soon... It was still sitting out back.

Speaking of things sitting out back, the M3 White scout cars. There were two in the storage lot.

I took this picture two weeks ago behind the restoration facility. Note the RN - 682568.

On%20Saturday,%20the%20M3%20White%20scout%20car%20wasnt%20there%20anymore.%20However,%20I%20took%20this%20picture%20of%20an%20M3%20White%20scout%20car%20in%20the%20storage%20lot...%20Note%20the%20RN,%20its%20the%20same?

But the "other" M3 White is clearly gone... At first I wondered if they both had the same painted on RN, but notice the two smudges above "USA" above the RN - they're exactly the same as much as I can tell... So I can only assume they changed their minds & brought the other one in for refurb <shrug>

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:24 am
Post subject: Re: Latest from APG (much better weather this time) *PIC*

- Hellfish6
Are the Somua and KV going back on an outdoor display or moving indoors/under cover?


I've been told that the KV-1 will go back to the same position it was at behind the musuem. I specifically asked Ed Heasley about it because it used to be a key stop on my tours. I can check on the Souma but would assume it will go back where it was.

I've been told that they are out of covered storage. Some space that they were going to expand into has been taken over for current training. So almost everything they complete will go back outside. There is one row of vehicles in the storage yard that is 'shoeless' the vehicles are all done but they don't have any tracks for them. The Ontos and the M4A1 Calliape are both in that area along with other vehicles

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum