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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:58 pm
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Roy, I hear you have a thing for "lingles". And when me and my dad were out today we found one. On the corner of 76th St and Battalion Ave, in front of 1st brigade combat team HQ. We found the USA number, 13B909, 005 on the right front hull. On the data plate as you can see the date is 7-65 and the serial number is 3127.

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A little bit of work and she'll be right as rain!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:13 pm
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Hi Ascout! Hi Folks!

- JG300-Ascout

A little bit of work and she'll be right as rain!


Sorry Ascout. I must disagree with you. If one does not count the very nice looking paint job on the out side, that vehicle is the second worst (as in missing parts) Lingle we have all seen in the past few years. I think Dontos' find on a range at Camp Shelby is the worst one.

It is good to see that the data plate is almost were I remember it. I was thinking it was on the upper wall, rather than on the lower one. I remember it was somewhere near the driver's seat. Along with not knowning the serial number was on the outside, never noticed the USA Number was also on the outside of the hull.

At least enough remains so that folks can still tell is was a M-114.
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That Data plate was actually right behind the fire extinguisher that is visable just behind and below the crivers seat. I pulled the bottle out of the way to get the picture. Jeffrey was wound up to post this for you. When I found it was open, I thought I'd hit pay-dirt, as nothing I hardley ever find is open. I'm just sorry it was missing so much. I noticed the 20mm storage positions everywhere. I understand 50cal, 7.62mm, and 5.56mm, but 20mm? Did you actually fire 20mm in some configuration?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:00 pm
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Hi Jeffrey! Hi Folks!

Thank you very much for helping your Dad with finding that Lingle. It makes my day when I learn another one has survived and not used for a target or home for fish.

- Jeffrey_Button

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Looking into the Driver's compartment. Forward of the data plate, there is an item that was painted red with some white overspray. That is the one and only fixed five pound fire extinguisher. Just in front of the top of the extinguisher is the vertial part of the driver's seat. To the right of that is a plate which is the back side of the forward/rearward adjustment for the driver's seat. The back rest folded forward and layed down on the seat. I can't tell if that item is still there. Maybe part of it is. To the left of the driver's seat is an odd shaped box with most of the white paint pealing off. That is the storage box for the IR driving scope. Above it and on the wall is a smaller box with a tappered bottom. That is the stroage box for the spare head for the IR scope. That open area between the IR scope box and the left edge of the photo is where a plate was mounted just above the surface of the sponson. The radio system was mounted on that plate. Looking at the area passed the IR storage box and the gage panel is a bulkhead that angles out for the left wall until it lines up with the inside edge of the sponson. The area behind that bulkhead is the gas tank. Looking at the left end of the T-bar, you may be able to just make out a line. Going up from the T-bar it runs to a point on the hull between the two vision blocks. Going down for the T-bar, angling away from the viewer, it goes through a clamp and down behind something that I am not sure about. Maybe a foot rest, the gas peddle, or maybe part of the driver's seat. That line is a clear plastc tube that the Driver used for a gas gage. That small cyclinder and pipes on the right bulkhead I think (?) was part of the XM-27 turret hydraulic system.

Update post: After see Bob's engine compartment photo, that reminded me of something else that is missing from area in front of the driver's position. The air filtercover and filter element are missing. It's hard to make out but the top of the air intake is behond the T-bar, hanging down for the roof.

- Jeffrey_Button

in front of 1st brigade combat team HQs


Super job Jeffrey, thanks for helping your Dad photograph that Lingle for me. One question for you, 1st BCT of which division? 1st Cav or 4th Inf?

Man, does that bring back some old times! Lots of headaches and some fun.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:15 pm
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Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Jeffrey was wound up to post this for you.
I noticed the 20mm storage positions everywhere. I understand 50cal, 7.62mm, and 5.56mm, but 20mm?
Did you actually fire 20mm in some configuration?


Super thanks to the both of your for all your hard work on this one.

20mm? You bet you!



That is a M-114A1E1 or sometimes called a M-114A2. It mounts a XM-27 turret with hydraulic power. The gun cradle held a M-139 20mm auto cannon made under licence from Hispano-Suiza of Switzerland.

The 25mm auto cannon mounted in the Bradleys was the winner of the Brushmaster program. The M-139 was one of two other losers in that project. Possible a good thing in the long run.

Spot Report!
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Roy, the "lingle" that sits in front of 1st bct is on 1st cav's side. Smile

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Roy, the surfboard does need to be replacted. I'll tell my dad to notify the 1st cav museum director, that there are to many R/T antenna bases. 1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is. Where would that be. I notice that the interior was paint white.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:54 pm
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Hi Jeffrey! Hi Folks!


Two odd items:
1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is.
2. Notice that the Observer's hatch has a cut out on the left edge. That is where a hook like devise is turned over the hatch to lock it closed. The hook and the hole where the rod it was on the end of came up through hull is missing! Surprised

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A couple observatuions from comparing this one to the M114 in Frederick MD

1) Could this be a coverplate where a pedistal for a machine gun could be located? The Frederick vehicle has 2 mounts for pintle mount MGs around this hatch that are bolted to the top deck with 4 bolts each.

2) Roy I hate to question you on Lingle details but I looked at the Frederick MD M114 again today. The notch at the edge of the hatch appears to be where the 'hold open' on the post to the rear of the hatch would catch it and hold it open. I didn't see any indication of a hole or lever that would engage it when it was in the closed position. I thought that catch would be on the inside of the hatch so the crew could batton down the hatch to deny anyone outside access to the vehicle.

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That "something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base", would be my sunglasses! We actually got in the car and started to drive off when I realized I had left them on the M114. I stopped the car across from the Lingle and Jeffrey ran across to grab them. Two things I can't live without, my watch and sunglasses!

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Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart

- Roy_A_Lingle

Two odd items:
1. Something on the hull just in front of the left rear R/T base. No idea what that is.
2. Notice that the Observer's hatch has a cut out on the left edge. That is where a hook like devise is turned over the hatch to lock it closed. The hook and the hole where the rod it was on the end of came up through hull is missing! Surprised


A couple observatuions from comparing this one to the M114 in Frederick MD

1) Could this be a coverplate where a pedistal for a machine gun could be located? The Frederick vehicle has 2 mounts for pintle mount MGs around this hatch that are bolted to the top deck with 4 bolts each.

2) Roy I hate to question you on Lingle details but I looked at the Frederick MD M114 again today. The notch at the edge of the hatch appears to be where the 'hold open' on the post to the rear of the hatch would catch it and hold it open. I didn't see any indication of a hole or lever that would engage it when it was in the closed position. I thought that catch would be on the inside of the hatch so the crew could batton down the hatch to deny anyone outside access to the vehicle.


1) ? You lost me Bob, unless you are talking about Jeff's sunglasses?
Now that I know what I am looking at, I can see that object is a pair of glasses.
If you remove one of the two bases for the gun mount, the only thing under it is the four holes for the bolts, none of which goes all the way through.

2. You are very right. For the life of me, I can not remember what holds that rear hatch closed. The device I was thinking about is on the driver's hatch. That's why I can't see the hole were it comes up through the hull!

That locking system required crews of the M-114A1s and A2s to place the gun cradle down on top of the driver's hatch so the hook could not be knocked out of the way and the driver's hatch opened from the outside. One of the M-114's many faults which the Army saw no reason to correct.

Man, it has been a great week end, thanks everyone!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

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Forgrt my comment #1. For some reason the glasses looked like shadows around a coverplate. Maybe I need to upgrade my monitor.

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Hi Bob! Hi Folks!

- bsmart
Forgrt my comment #1. For some reason the glasses looked like shadows around a coverplate. Maybe I need to upgrade my monitor.


Both of us missed those sunglasses.
At least you picked on my mistake about the cut into the side of the observer's hatch and what is was for.

You know, for an ex-USAF type, you make an outstanding CIA.
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You know, for an ex-USAF type, you make an outstanding CIA.
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I wonder what the market is for a special run of "Curmudgeon In Armor" Tee-shirts? I'm guessing we wouldn't need any in small or medium sizes. Wink
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Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

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I wonder what the market is for a special run of "Curmudgeon In Armor" Tee-shirts? I'm guessing we wouldn't need any in small or medium sizes. Wink


Hey Doug, put me down for a pair of 2Xs!
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