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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:39 am
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Hi Guys, As usual please correct me on any mislabeled pictures, is it ok to be posting these like this? If anyone would like more detailed pictures drop me a note. Is it ok to be using this much space?? ARMY


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That M113 has some unusual lifting points welded to the front hull. I also noticed that the front supports for the rubber side skirts, don't have the foot step cut out of them that you see on todays M113's. The spare "shoe" mounts on the front hull appear rounded, not squared like todays. The bar brackets mounted by the antenna mounts is also looking a bit "old-school". Is this an "A1" model prehaps?
Was the M84 a Mortar Carrier? If not, it was an M-59. This is the first one of these type vehicles I've seen with the rubber skirts installed, kind of rare. I've always seen the holes in the hull but not the skirt installed.
The Sherman appears to be an M4A3 (76) HVSS. My gues is this is a Fisher built Sherman as oppoessed to a Chrysler build. The paint appears thin, was a serial number gotton from the rear tow hooks or were any numbers found on the front, side edges of the glacis? I could tell you more with these numbers and/or their locations.
The M114 is Roys specialty.
Am I mistaken or is that an M41 Walker Bulldog just below the M47 Patton? The M47, is it possibly a Italian tank?

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Ft Meade is near Baltimore so it's in Joe Demarco's back yard. I'm sure he has that he has gone over that M4 with a fine tooth comb Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:31 pm
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Ft Meade is near Baltimore so it's in Joe Demarco's back yard. I'm sure he has that he has gone over that M4 with a fine tooth comb Smile


Yeah, according to my records, Joe reported it originally had a 75mm gun turret, later converted to a 76.

Armyjunk2, how recent are the pics? Are you in mine & Bob's neck of the woods?

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BTW, the FT-17 is a WWI survivor.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:55 pm
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pictures were taken about a month ago, i'm in louisville, KY
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:41 pm
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We need to have whoever is responsible for painting these vehicles hauled before the AFV DG tribunal and made to show cause.... Laughing


(At least the "area beautification" is up to snuff and they're not wallowing in weeds....)


Greetings from Bucharest, Guys...I've got some interesting pictures for when I get back Wink The tanks are good, the artillery collection here is not to be believed...I'd need another 3 Gig's of vid card to get all the guns!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:49 am
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Doug, while in the area (Europe) here are two more great artillery collections with tanks

Lesany, Czech Republic
Hainameena, Finland
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:23 am
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Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- armyjunk2

M113
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:36 am
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I think the color is pretty accurate, all pictures taken within 1/2 hour of each other so basically the same light
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:28 am
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Hi Army Junk 2! Hi Folks!
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I think the color is pretty accurate, all pictures taken within 1/2 hour of each other so basically the same light


Interesting! It is my understanding that OD fades to an off yellow color, like the M113 and the M4A3E8. I wonder what color those vehicles where originaly painted with that would fade to gray?

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