±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 896
Total: 896
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Downloads
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: News Archive
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Member Screenshots
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Member Screenshots
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Downloads
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Your Account
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Downloads
43: Downloads
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Downloads
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Photo Gallery
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Statistics
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: CPGlang
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Downloads
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Downloads
88: Member Screenshots
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: News Archive
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Statistics
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Home
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Your Account
113: Member Screenshots
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Downloads
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Downloads
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Downloads
127: Home
128: Statistics
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Downloads
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Statistics
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Home
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Downloads
172: Home
173: Your Account
174: Downloads
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Downloads
188: Photo Gallery
189: Your Account
190: Downloads
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: CPGlang
195: Home
196: News Archive
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Your Account
205: Downloads
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Downloads
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Downloads
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: CPGlang
227: Community Forums
228: Your Account
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Downloads
232: Photo Gallery
233: Photo Gallery
234: Photo Gallery
235: Community Forums
236: Your Account
237: CPGlang
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Member Screenshots
248: News Archive
249: Community Forums
250: Member Screenshots
251: Downloads
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Your Account
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: CPGlang
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Photo Gallery
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Member Screenshots
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Downloads
306: Community Forums
307: Downloads
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: CPGlang
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Home
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Home
327: CPGlang
328: Photo Gallery
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Downloads
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Your Account
336: CPGlang
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: CPGlang
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Search
350: CPGlang
351: Home
352: Photo Gallery
353: Home
354: Statistics
355: Photo Gallery
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Member Screenshots
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Home
367: Photo Gallery
368: Downloads
369: Community Forums
370: Downloads
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Downloads
374: Photo Gallery
375: Community Forums
376: Home
377: Downloads
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Statistics
381: Member Screenshots
382: Community Forums
383: Statistics
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Community Forums
388: Member Screenshots
389: Community Forums
390: Downloads
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: CPGlang
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: CPGlang
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: CPGlang
408: Community Forums
409: Photo Gallery
410: Member Screenshots
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Downloads
414: News Archive
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Your Account
426: Downloads
427: News
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Photo Gallery
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Photo Gallery
434: News Archive
435: Your Account
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Downloads
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Downloads
450: Home
451: Photo Gallery
452: Photo Gallery
453: Member Screenshots
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Photo Gallery
462: Downloads
463: Photo Gallery
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Home
467: Community Forums
468: Home
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: News Archive
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Photo Gallery
485: Photo Gallery
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: CPGlang
493: Photo Gallery
494: CPGlang
495: Community Forums
496: Home
497: News Archive
498: Community Forums
499: Home
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Home
504: Photo Gallery
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Member Screenshots
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Your Account
516: Home
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Photo Gallery
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Home
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Photo Gallery
529: Home
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: CPGlang
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: News Archive
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Statistics
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Your Account
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Home
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Downloads
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Community Forums
564: Downloads
565: Community Forums
566: Home
567: Photo Gallery
568: Your Account
569: Home
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Search
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: News Archive
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Photo Gallery
580: Downloads
581: Downloads
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Photo Gallery
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Home
592: Home
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Home
597: Community Forums
598: Home
599: Your Account
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: CPGlang
606: Community Forums
607: Home
608: Photo Gallery
609: Photo Gallery
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Downloads
616: Community Forums
617: Downloads
618: Community Forums
619: Downloads
620: Community Forums
621: Downloads
622: Community Forums
623: CPGlang
624: Photo Gallery
625: Downloads
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Photo Gallery
629: Community Forums
630: Photo Gallery
631: Community Forums
632: Downloads
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Downloads
637: Community Forums
638: Downloads
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Photo Gallery
642: Your Account
643: Photo Gallery
644: Photo Gallery
645: Downloads
646: Community Forums
647: Downloads
648: Your Account
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Photo Gallery
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Photo Gallery
656: Photo Gallery
657: Community Forums
658: Photo Gallery
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Photo Gallery
664: Photo Gallery
665: Community Forums
666: Downloads
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: CPGlang
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Photo Gallery
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Downloads
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Downloads
686: Community Forums
687: Downloads
688: Community Forums
689: Home
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Your Account
693: Home
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Photo Gallery
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: Member Screenshots
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Photo Gallery
706: Community Forums
707: Photo Gallery
708: Photo Gallery
709: Photo Gallery
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: CPGlang
718: Photo Gallery
719: Community Forums
720: Member Screenshots
721: Community Forums
722: CPGlang
723: Community Forums
724: Photo Gallery
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Home
729: Photo Gallery
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Photo Gallery
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Photo Gallery
737: Community Forums
738: Downloads
739: Photo Gallery
740: Your Account
741: Home
742: Community Forums
743: Home
744: Community Forums
745: Member Screenshots
746: CPGlang
747: Statistics
748: Member Screenshots
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Downloads
755: Member Screenshots
756: Photo Gallery
757: Community Forums
758: Home
759: Home
760: CPGlang
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: News Archive
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Downloads
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Statistics
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Statistics
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Photo Gallery
784: Community Forums
785: Community Forums
786: Home
787: Member Screenshots
788: Photo Gallery
789: Your Account
790: Downloads
791: Community Forums
792: Community Forums
793: Member Screenshots
794: Community Forums
795: Downloads
796: Community Forums
797: Community Forums
798: CPGlang
799: Downloads
800: Photo Gallery
801: Community Forums
802: Community Forums
803: Community Forums
804: CPGlang
805: Community Forums
806: Community Forums
807: Community Forums
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Your Account
811: Community Forums
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: Home
817: Community Forums
818: Community Forums
819: Community Forums
820: Community Forums
821: Downloads
822: Community Forums
823: Community Forums
824: Community Forums
825: Community Forums
826: Community Forums
827: Community Forums
828: Community Forums
829: Community Forums
830: Community Forums
831: Photo Gallery
832: Community Forums
833: Community Forums
834: Community Forums
835: Home
836: Community Forums
837: Community Forums
838: Community Forums
839: Downloads
840: Community Forums
841: Community Forums
842: Photo Gallery
843: Community Forums
844: Member Screenshots
845: Community Forums
846: Home
847: Community Forums
848: CPGlang
849: Community Forums
850: CPGlang
851: Home
852: Home
853: Community Forums
854: Community Forums
855: Community Forums
856: Community Forums
857: CPGlang
858: Community Forums
859: Community Forums
860: Downloads
861: Community Forums
862: CPGlang
863: Downloads
864: Community Forums
865: Community Forums
866: Community Forums
867: Community Forums
868: Home
869: Community Forums
870: Downloads
871: Photo Gallery
872: News Archive
873: Community Forums
874: Community Forums
875: Community Forums
876: Community Forums
877: Community Forums
878: Community Forums
879: Community Forums
880: Home
881: Home
882: Photo Gallery
883: Downloads
884: Community Forums
885: Home
886: Community Forums
887: Home
888: Community Forums
889: CPGlang
890: Photo Gallery
891: Community Forums
892: Community Forums
893: Community Forums
894: Member Screenshots
895: Community Forums
896: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX :: Archived
A forum for Microsoft's Flight Simulator X
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  FSX

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:59 pm
Post subject: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Doesn't look like Directx 10 and Vista will save the day for FSX

forums.avsim.net/dcboa...1837&page=


Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Back to top
View user's profile
Mechy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Posts: 41
Location: Philly
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

What needs to be saved??? As far as I'm concerned it's a great looking and running program that runs at low fps. It hasn't crashed on me, I don't have any stutters, the ground isn't blocky and this is right out of the box. Once the third party boys figure it out, it's even going to be better.

Besides, I don't want a program that is going to be dated and worthless in a year. If everyone had killer 'fps' with it now, how good would it be in a year. This game has always been built with several years of use in mind. The same boys over there at Avsim who are crying about FSX are probably the same ones who were crying about FS9. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm just going to enjoy it and look forward to the addons!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Mechy wrote
This game has always been built with several years of use in mind.


Well why then does it not use dual cores effectively?

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Back to top
View user's profile
Shades
Forum Tree-Rat

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 07, 2005
Posts: 6473
Location: 3rd Branch up, 'Ye Olde Oak', Green Wood.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Think you'll probably find it's the system set-ups rather than the hardware in them that's dragging things down.
There may be a patch due as well.
In the meantime, Stoopy made a very good and thorough explanation of ways to tweak/improve your hardwares' performance (it's the first sticky in the section) over in CFS3. Obviously it's tailored to CFS3, but you'll find a lot of it relates to other games, specifically Flight Simulators, and is just as applicable.
It explains why low frame rates are achieved and how to improve them in several areas.

_________________
Skwerl's place.

Com-Central's cutest, fluffiest, twitchiest, tail.
CPU > Intel i9-9900k (o/c 4.9GHz); COOLING > BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4;
MOBO > ASUS PRIME Z390-A; RAM > 2x32GB Corsair LPX 2666MHz;
GPU > Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX650Ti PCI-e 3.0 2Gb GDDR5;
AUDIO > Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music (plus - Universal Audio UAD2 Quad Custom accelerator);
HDD > 3x1TB+ M.2. SSDs; LCD > DELL - S2419HGF (1920x1080);
PSU > 650W be quiet Straight Power 11 - 80+ Gold;
CASE > BeQuiet! SILENT BASE 601; OS > Windows 11 Home Advanced (64-bit).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Kitform
Bar Maid

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2005
Posts: 2011
Location: Cleveland. UK.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

- Adrian_Wainer
Doesn't look like Directx 10 and Vista will save the day for FSX


He's gotta be doing something wrong, I run FSX at 1920x1200 and with sliders set to high, I get good frame rates and my system is inferior to his. (3DMark06 of 8,548) with DX9c
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Amen, Mechy!!!!!

Adrian.....hey bud! Did you miss the post at AVSIM by Phil Taylor, ACES program development lead? He tried to explain, very comprehensively and very politely I thought, why FSX is not written to take direct advantage of dual core CPU's as a multithreaded application. To summarize, two very good reasons: The lead time incolved in makign design/architectural desicions, and the intense work involved in exact process timing to ensure processes stay in synch. In other words, the threads managing the aircraft dynamics, the world dynamics, the weather dynamics, the scenery dynamics, etc etc must all be in exact synch or you get trees moving around slightly, an aircraft that thinks it landed when it appears to still be above the ground, etc. Imagine the howling of the user base if we had those kinds of problems instead. AND imagine all the small things that could have gotten "broken" in such a redesign process....and then imagine the additional delays.

And let's not forget that dual core technology came along to be proven only AFTER the FSX effort was already underway. So now the decision should be to scrap the months of effort on top of the associated longer development time and risks mentioned above? As a longtime FS customer I THANK the development team for sticking with their decision....it was right!

It's also very relevant to this discussion because Mr. Taylor did imply, strongly, that their team is "looking at what can be done" to give some relief to dual-core users, and that he woudl be back to report more around or shortly after the Thanksgiving timeframe, I wouldn't start advertising that a patch is coming from that statement, but take it any way you want it. This is positive stuff, and shows the commitment to support and quality does exist, IMHO.

There was also a revealing (and sadly typical) reference to Marketing having more to do with the state in which the product shipped than the ACES developers and testers did...in other words, and this is just like a Vista discussion we had here a while back, the project timeline and milestones rule all, regardless of quality, to some people. It's another illustration of why product delays are inevitably a GOOD thing for the users.

There are a lot of people making assumptions about how easy it shoud be to take a legacy software architecture and covert it into a mutithreaded app for dual-core, as if waving a magic wand and it shall be done. I don't talk about my own real-world gig but rest assured it's deep in the real-time software and firmware realm, having to do with some extremely fast industrial automation equipment for a very very large organization, with 26 years years as a developer in several languages ranging from Assembler to C++ under my belt, and am now a program manager myself for an extensive base of mission-critical equipment. I appreciate what the ACES team considereed and am absolutey appalled by every Tom, Dick and Harry (or self-important IT guy...no offense to any IT professionals around here) who claims MS creates "bloated code"...when they haven't even SEEN one bit of the code! It's as sad, and as ignorant, as the big ol' WAV file that went around a few months ago by that dude (steve somethingorother) who, while obviously overloaded on some kind of pain medication, went on a big ol' rant about FSX after his experience as a BETA tester....if I remember right, he even went on about CFS3 being written in "Windows XP Code"....as if there's really such a thing, LMAO! It's an O/S, not a development language (and strangely CFS3 also worked just fine on my old PC running Windows 2000 O/S). Some people's kids, you know....??

Sorry about my own rant here. but folks just don't get it that this is supposed to be fun, a hobby, meaning an optional way to spend your time, and there is NO LAW that says any of us HAVE to buy it and run it. It's odd too, that those folks who are constantly griping that FS9 is better aren't spending their time flying FS9 but instead are spending a considerable amount of time and effort bashing FSX. Wonder if they're really just members of the X-Plane sales staff?

As someone who now no longer is allowed to do any development work due to a changed job description (and a GREAT team of people who are really good at it anyway) I don't even dare call myself a developer any more, despite all the years and projects and languages. But it's getting to where anyone who does a most basic repaint and uploads it then claims themselves to be a "developer" and thus qualified to perform a blindfolded code review by merely looking at an FPS counter.

Gotta admit the demo is gettin' old even though it runs like a striped-@ss ape on my rig now....I hope AVSIM gets those promo copies of FSX from MS soon and it arrives on the doorstep in a coupla weeks.....can't WAIT to have some fun with the rest of ya's!

I mean it IS fun, right? And it's all ABOUT fun, right? Or why else are we all here in our spare time...we're not nuts, are we?




_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Shades
Forum Tree-Rat

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 07, 2005
Posts: 6473
Location: 3rd Branch up, 'Ye Olde Oak', Green Wood.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:16 am
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

- JG300-Stoopy
it runs like a striped-@ss ape on my rig now
There's no way you can tell me that's legitimate!

_________________
Skwerl's place.

Com-Central's cutest, fluffiest, twitchiest, tail.
CPU > Intel i9-9900k (o/c 4.9GHz); COOLING > BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4;
MOBO > ASUS PRIME Z390-A; RAM > 2x32GB Corsair LPX 2666MHz;
GPU > Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX650Ti PCI-e 3.0 2Gb GDDR5;
AUDIO > Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music (plus - Universal Audio UAD2 Quad Custom accelerator);
HDD > 3x1TB+ M.2. SSDs; LCD > DELL - S2419HGF (1920x1080);
PSU > 650W be quiet Straight Power 11 - 80+ Gold;
CASE > BeQuiet! SILENT BASE 601; OS > Windows 11 Home Advanced (64-bit).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:02 am
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Laughing

Well, it's maybe a dated benchmarking technique, you're right! But I done seen me one of those things once and MAN can they haul butt!

Laughing

(Maybe I shoulda qualified my statement as saying "with sliders in mid position and with some basic tweaks").

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Here is an absolutely brilliant discussion largely between three very experienced and informed people on the subjext of multi-core support as specifically relates to FSX. It's also pleasantly devoid of any negative, useless comments from the bashers in the peanut gallery.

http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=121&topic_id=372401&mode=full

And definitely take their word for it...I'm an old-style non-thread-aware programmer, but it's clear these gents are quite savvy on the subject (two of them particularly).

When done reading, take a flight and enjoy FSX and be happy we have it now instead of another year or two from now....and in the meantime, a very large company with some brilliant programmers and resources is also working the issue, no doubt.

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Mechy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Posts: 41
Location: Philly
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

Good read Stoopy .... Funny thing is if you read the forums over there they still talk about the frustration of having a duel core and it not taking full advantage in FSX .... I have a duel core and find it an exciting time of what's coming next.

Here is an example of what they can do now with a quad core :
www.youtube.com/watch?...qoWKNbA&NR
what people have to realize here is that this is probably a more scripted type game then FSX is but this new technology is going to open up a whole new world of computing.

And who knows, microsoft may come out with some patch to take advantage of multicore proc. .... but if they don't FSX should still make you happy right out of the box. Problem is, I think, sometimes people forget when they first purchased FS9 ... they only talk about it as it is today, what I mean is at the end of it's run. Where the hardware has surpassed the software and anything you add on runs super. In a few years FSX will be the greatest thing and FSXI will be terrible, incomplete and the worst software ever made !!! Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

Laughing

That's absolutely spot-on, Mechy. Heck, even today, FS9 still continues to benefit from hardware upgrades. Case in point, my video card fan started making some noise 2 weeks ago, and over the weekend I saw that one store was having a special on 1Gig DDR RAM that my system takes. So long story short, I now have 3 Megs of RAM and a new ATI 1650 Pro vid card with 512MB on it, nothing special compared to what's out there I know, but it wasn't expensive either and it's a decent price/performance card for us highly prudent "married with kids" types.

Anyway yeah I'll admit I had FSX in mind when doing this but the whole system and especially FS9 benefited from it even further. Lately I've been getting heavy into recording and playing back formation aerobatics and when it replays 3 or 4 Decathlons roaring by with smoke on, it's been stutterville.....much better now.

Now, FS9 is even better, and this is 4 years after the release. Sheesh!

And when hasn't flight simming been an exercise in frustration with hardware and seeking upgrades. Compared to the old days - and I mean getting maybe 1 to 2 frames per sec back in the early 80's on the Commodore 64 with Sublogic flight sim (maybe Bushy can back me up here I think - seriously you could watch the screen update in synch with the second-hand on your watch during when landing at Meigs) we have it GREAT today.

The CPU architecture conversations are great and all, very interesting, but they miss out on the point that the performance of a system is the culmination of many fine details and bottlenecks and is best treated in like, a complete, systemic, like, holistic, approach, man, not just brute force in one or two components. I can't help but think that some people are just first-time upgraders or otherwise just outraged that the system specs being boasted about in their signatures are letting them down now.

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

Stoopy if it sounded like I was being critical of ACES/Microsoft for not makeing FSX tailored to exploit dual-cores, I wasn't, since I well know that there is a considerable time lag between commissioning a software product and its release and since Intel was expecting major leaps in processor performance but hit a brick wall and had to do a U-turn to multicore processors, it is not un-reasonable to assume that FSX might have been commissioned and designed in the expectation of a leap in processor speeds which never happened. Furthermore given the very great difficulties of makeing an application such as FSX utilize multicores and do so efficently it was not unreasonable for ACES/Microsoft to go down the the single processor route rather than multicore. All that said, the issue is that, in the present / near future, processor speeds have plateaued and FSX will not be speeded up by the next generation of processors which will be quadcore and therfore I would be dubious about FSX's ability to run faster in soon to be available machines.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Back to top
View user's profile
Shades
Forum Tree-Rat

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 07, 2005
Posts: 6473
Location: 3rd Branch up, 'Ye Olde Oak', Green Wood.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

By the time Quad core is enhanced enough to run any games properly we will have a new type of processor biting at the heels of the kind we know currently, and it could make them appear positively prehistoric by comparison.
I would wait and see what's coming because we're about to take a leap into the unknown.
Wink

_________________
Skwerl's place.

Com-Central's cutest, fluffiest, twitchiest, tail.
CPU > Intel i9-9900k (o/c 4.9GHz); COOLING > BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4;
MOBO > ASUS PRIME Z390-A; RAM > 2x32GB Corsair LPX 2666MHz;
GPU > Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX650Ti PCI-e 3.0 2Gb GDDR5;
AUDIO > Creative X-Fi Xtreme Music (plus - Universal Audio UAD2 Quad Custom accelerator);
HDD > 3x1TB+ M.2. SSDs; LCD > DELL - S2419HGF (1920x1080);
PSU > 650W be quiet Straight Power 11 - 80+ Gold;
CASE > BeQuiet! SILENT BASE 601; OS > Windows 11 Home Advanced (64-bit).
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day FSX

Oh hey, Adrian, dude....no worries. I went a little overboard in my diatribe there but it wasn't against you or anything. You were just passing along some discussion stuff. Sorry and hope you don't think I was yellin'....well, at you! Laughing

I've since learned to try to stay away from reading that place too much, it's too depressing....although I can't help but go there and check in, what with curiousity and also wondering WHEN the HECK they're gonna ship my copy!

Which I just found out they have received, according to the news today (the 20th). And their news page then says their shipping department is closed until the 27th "For the Thanksgiving Holidays" which is fine and all, but ....SEVEN days???......that's a helluva lotta turkey they must be eatin'! Man I can hear the grumbling on this one already!

So anyway I give it another 7 days after that to get here which means in about 2 weeks I wont be so snippy. Sorry bud!!


_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
401RCAF_Sly
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 12, 2005
Posts: 223

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Doesn't look like DirectX 10 and Vista will save the day

This multi core processor thing can ulimately only go one of two ways Shocked

Either it will expand to become a kinda matrix of processors processing a matrix of binary switches..... kinda like a fractal cube and evermore expanding..

Or

It may turn out that the undoubted inefficiency in having to split data send it to various processors, transport it back and re-assemble is a short term fillip until the next big thing (leap in performance) Laughing

I personally do not regard dual core as a pure performance enhancement its just sharing the load between two donkeys (or four) Laughing

within 2 years we should get a pointer and within 5 all this will be history


Have Fun

Sly
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  FSX
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.