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Some tanks to identify, stored at Saumur
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Post subject: Re: Some tanks to identify, stored at Saumur

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As it appears that the links on the first post don't work, here are the pictures I tried to show you :

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The%20one%20to%20the%20left%20looks%20like%20an%20M48,%20or%20at%20least%20an%20M48%20turret%20on%20something...%20
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Also this one remains unidentified..



Batignolles-Châtillon 25 t

Some other pics can be seen at this link:
www.chars-francais.net...tillon.htm

The French tried so many cleft turret designs!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Some tanks to identify, stored at Saumur

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

[quote="Neil_Baumgardner"]
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Also this one remains unidentified..
Neil


That's not the front end of the AMX-13 light tank which we saw a rear view of in another photo?

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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner

That's%20not%20the%20front%20end%20of%20the%20AMX-13%20light%20tank%20which%20we%20saw%20a%20rear%20view%20of%20in%20another%20photo? Sgt,%20Scouts%20Out!
Some%20accidental%20misquoting%20going%20on...%20But%20anyway,%20nope,%20AMX-13%20has%20a%20different%20front%20hull%20-%20and%20smaller%20too. www.chars-francais.net...x13-75.htm The%20hull%20on%20this%20one%20is%20much%20more%20sharply%20sloped%20-%20and%20rather%20Panther-like,%20which%20is%20a%20fairly%20common%20post-war%20French%20design%20element... Compare:

The Chars Francaise pictures also appear to be from Saumur, albeit earlier, before the paint faded...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:28 pm
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Thanks Don,

more vehicles :




BTW, next to and behind the STRV 74 are indeed two M32s...

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Post subject: Re: Some tanks to identify, stored at Saumur

I was thinking that the two M32 stored near the STRV 74 were maybe the Ecouché and the Porthos seen on chars-francais.net..(the photos of both tanks are quite old, so maybe they were repainted..) but the recent photos don't allow to see any marking.

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Any idea what this SPG? (missing the gun) is next to the Batignolles-Châtillon 25 t?



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:23 pm
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- Roy_A_Lingle


Right to left: Rear end of a Soviet BTR-50
M47 rear hull, front of turret
M48 German (smoke lauchers) missing main gun barrel
The rusty one is a Soviet tracked recovery vehicle.
Vehicle at the very far left, French AMX-30



BTR-50PU (exact version unsure)
M47
Pionier Panzer M48A2
Type 653 (chinese actually)
Vehicle at the very far left, French AMX-40

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:26 pm
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As it appears that the links on the first post don't work, here are the pictures I tried to show you :





Type 653A

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What's the sand painted tank on the middle-right and the small armoured car on the right?


AMX-40 & Ferret Scout Car

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What's this tank hull on the left?


Its the hull of the AMX-VTT Roland

Images of the complete vehicle on the web site.

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What's the big vehicle behind the AMX-13? (the green one, not the BTR-50)


M88A1

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:18 am
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Thanks Don,

more vehicles :

What's%20this%20bridgelayer,%20whom%20we%20can%20only%20see%20a%20bit%20on%20the%20right? P-O
Check%20this%20out...

Edit Note: The M32 is actually an M31 ARV.... my mistake.

Don


Hi,

Its surely an AMX 13 poseur de pont (bridgelayer) as used in french army

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Pascal, I had a look at chars-francais.net and found a photo of the AMX-13 Bridgelayer, and so concluded that it is in fact the same tank on the photo. So you're right.

Thanks to all for having identified all these vehicles.

I just sent the France AFVs Register v1.0 to Neil for corrections and additions, and I think it will be released in few days.. Then, if it is absolutely necessary, I will translate it in order to publish a list in French. (In France we are known for having huge difficulties in learning foreign languages..)

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As it appears that the links on the first post don't work, here are the pictures I tried to show you :

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AMX-40
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What's the big vehicle behind the AMX-13? (the green one, not the BTR-50)



M88 ARV. Probably an M88A1
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:19 am
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Thanks Don,

more vehicles :




BTW, next to and behind the STRV 74 are indeed two M32s...

Neil


Aren't those actually M74s?

Cheers,

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