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Fort Sill in the seventies...
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Jens_O_Mehner
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Fellow curmudgeons,

found these on a German modelling DG: Fort Sill way back when Cool

Enjoy,

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Thanks Jens. I see the M108 and XM104...

Neil
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Fellow curmudgeons,

found these on a German modelling DG: Fort Sill way back when Cool

Enjoy,

Jens O.


OK, now I am worried..."Heute Lawton. Morgen die Welt!" Shocked

These guys are just too familiar with our heartland, fer crissakes!

....and whassup with this paintjob?! I was around in the '70's and while we were experimenting with some camo at the Armor Board in '73, I don't recall anything that looked like THIS! Shocked




WHAT was going on after I got out, anyway?!

Great stuff, Jens...Thanks!

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OK, now I am worried..."Heute Lawton. Morgen die Welt!" Shocked

These guys are just too familiar with our heartland, fer crissakes!

....and whassup with this paintjob?! I was around in the '70's and while we were experimenting with some camo at the Armor Board in '73, I don't recall anything that looked like THIS! Shocked



Teeheehee,

wait until I tell you about my past and secret life at Tobyhanna Army Depot Mr. Green

Actually, I'd seen this improvised camo in the past, seems in OD times the tan bands were supposed to be used in a desert environment, there was also a similar version for snowy terrain involving white bands. Cool

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Jens O.
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Speaking of strange cam - image from mid-80s

Somebody must have been on drugs when they did this...

Cool

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I've seen better looking tile jobs in gas station bathrooms....

Say...aren't you supposed to be in Romania about now?
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Not of the 70's.....

But here is my version of Ft Sill in the 60's......



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Not of the 70's.....

But here is my version of Ft Sill in the 60's......



Don


Of course, recruiting standards were much lower then....Cold War, Vietnam and all. Wink
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Gee Doug,....thanks alot.... Crying or Very sad (sniff, sniff)

Actually, Little did I know, I would end up 'Living the Legend' also.... but in a different area.

ADA (note branch insignia in photo...) was just not what I wanted to do, when it came time to raise my right hand.... (voluntarily in 1985... )

My 'new' avatar is a 'classic' also.... 1979 during a trip to Carlsbad Caverns (roaming the desert with a couple of friends... )

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Gee Doug,....thanks alot.... Crying or Very sad (sniff, sniff)

Don


Well, I owed you one for that "dinosaurs" thing. Call it evens. Laughing

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Gee Doug,....thanks alot.... Crying or Very sad (sniff, sniff)

Don


Well, I owed you one for that "dinosaurs" thing. Call it evens. Laughing



Actually I was going to 'counter fire' with something like ....

I was only 6 years old!!!.... What is your excuse?? But didn't want to go there. Don't want to drag Roy and the multitude of others into 'our' little squable.

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Gee Doug,....thanks alot.... Crying or Very sad (sniff, sniff)

Don


Well, I owed you one for that "dinosaurs" thing. Call it evens. Laughing



Actually I was going to 'counter fire' with something like ....

I was only 6 years old!!!.... What is your excuse?? But didn't want to go there. Don't want to drag Roy and the multitude of others into 'our' little squable.

Don


(Psssst! Since you mentioned Roy...now there's a dinosaur!, but don't tell him I said so.... Wink )
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Hi Folks!

- JimWeb
Speaking of strange cam - image from mid-80s

Somebody must have been on drugs when they did this...

Cool


If this old "dinosaur" remembers right, that was called Du-Tex or something like that and it was the U.S. Army's attempt to improve on the British Berlin Brigade's city camo job. It was tested by a few units in Germany but as far as I know it didn't last very long. I think there was a story in Armor magazine with a photo or two of a M113 painted with that pattern.

CIA, yes! Dinosaur? Well maybe, I have been feeling that old lately.
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I've seen better looking tile jobs in gas station bathrooms....

Say...aren't you supposed to be in Romania about now?


Couple of weeks time...

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If this old "dinosaur" remembers right, that was called Du-Tex or something like that and it was the U.S. Army's attempt to improve on the British Berlin Brigade's city camo job. It was tested by a few units in Germany but as far as I know it didn't last very long. I think there was a story in Armor magazine with a photo or two of a M113 painted with that pattern.



Well done, CIA,

it was actually called Dual-Tex and was an attempt by the 7th Army to improve MERDEC, field tested by the 2ACR and one step of the way towards CARC- ISTR the Bundeswehr trialed something similar as well. Contrary to popular belief, it was not inspired by or intended as an equivalent to the British Berlin camouflage, but was supposed to blend in better than MERDEC and reduce IR visibility. Some more info and two shots of 2ACR M60A3s can be found here. Cool

I've seen M113s, M60s and M35/M109s in this scheme, there may have been others, but certainly not M24s Wink

Cheers,

Jens O.
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