±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 729
Total: 729
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Photo Gallery
05: Home
06: Downloads
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: Member Screenshots
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Downloads
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Downloads
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Downloads
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Photo Gallery
36: CPGlang
37: Community Forums
38: News Archive
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Downloads
47: Community Forums
48: Downloads
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Your Account
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: CPGlang
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Home
76: Photo Gallery
77: News Archive
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Your Account
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Downloads
99: Home
100: Photo Gallery
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Your Account
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Downloads
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Home
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Home
128: Photo Gallery
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: CPGlang
142: Community Forums
143: Home
144: Home
145: CPGlang
146: Downloads
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Home
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Member Screenshots
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Home
169: News
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: News Archive
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: CPGlang
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: CPGlang
217: Community Forums
218: Home
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Photo Gallery
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Downloads
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Member Screenshots
249: Community Forums
250: Downloads
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Downloads
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Photo Gallery
283: Downloads
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Home
287: Downloads
288: Home
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Home
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Home
314: Home
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Downloads
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Your Account
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Your Account
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Photo Gallery
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Home
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: Downloads
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Photo Gallery
375: Home
376: Photo Gallery
377: Statistics
378: News Archive
379: Downloads
380: Community Forums
381: Your Account
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Photo Gallery
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Your Account
402: Community Forums
403: Statistics
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Photo Gallery
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Photo Gallery
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Photo Gallery
442: Home
443: Community Forums
444: Member Screenshots
445: Community Forums
446: Downloads
447: Home
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Photo Gallery
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Home
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Photo Gallery
459: Community Forums
460: Your Account
461: Community Forums
462: Home
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: CPGlang
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Home
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Photo Gallery
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Photo Gallery
487: Downloads
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Member Screenshots
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Photo Gallery
497: Community Forums
498: Home
499: Community Forums
500: Home
501: Photo Gallery
502: CPGlang
503: Home
504: Photo Gallery
505: Photo Gallery
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Member Screenshots
509: Downloads
510: Photo Gallery
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: CPGlang
514: Community Forums
515: Home
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Home
522: Community Forums
523: Downloads
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Photo Gallery
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Member Screenshots
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: News
543: Downloads
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Home
551: Community Forums
552: Your Account
553: CPGlang
554: Photo Gallery
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: News Archive
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Photo Gallery
564: Home
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Photo Gallery
575: Home
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Home
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: CPGlang
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Home
588: Your Account
589: Home
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Home
593: Downloads
594: Home
595: Home
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Downloads
603: Community Forums
604: Downloads
605: Community Forums
606: CPGlang
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Home
612: Community Forums
613: Home
614: Photo Gallery
615: Community Forums
616: Home
617: Photo Gallery
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Photo Gallery
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: CPGlang
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Member Screenshots
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: CPGlang
640: Community Forums
641: Members List
642: Community Forums
643: Home
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Your Account
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Photo Gallery
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Photo Gallery
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: News
667: CPGlang
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Photo Gallery
681: Your Account
682: Photo Gallery
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Photo Gallery
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Home
694: Photo Gallery
695: Community Forums
696: Photo Gallery
697: Community Forums
698: Home
699: Home
700: Home
701: Community Forums
702: Your Account
703: Photo Gallery
704: Home
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Your Account
708: Home
709: Community Forums
710: Home
711: Photo Gallery
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Home
717: CPGlang
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:53 pm
Post subject: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

Interesting article I ran across on the Bovington tank museum site that calls into question the identity of all supposed "M13/40s" at Bovington, APG & in Canada...

www.tankmuseum.co.uk/c..._0901.html

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

Well, interesting readings..

The difference between the M-13/40 and the M-14/41 seems to be quite thin, but the difference btw the M-14/41 and the M-15/42 is bigger (the M-14/41 having not the door on the same side than the M-15/42).

According to wwiivehicles.com website, the differences between M-13/40 and M-14/41 are :

"M14/41:

Improved the air and fuel filters and installed a more powerful diesel engine.

Had transversal radiator outlet grills, mud clearing blades at the drive sprockets, and longer fenders.
Supports for 5.3 gallon (20 liter) cans were added. "

http://www.wwiivehicles.com/italy/tanks-medium/m13-40-m14-41.asp

Maybe someone has more info to confirm?

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:35 am
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

for what it's worth, don't know for sure about the other features but neither the presumed M13 or the semovente 75 at Aberdeen have the mud cleaners but the semovente 90 there does have them. some photos here may be of help
s40.photobucket.com/al...0at%20APG/

Jeff "Piney" Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:43 am
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

In fact, only in APG preserved M13/40. In Bovington M14/41.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

- Taranov
In fact, only in APG preserved M13/40. In Bovington M14/41.


And for the tanks in Canada?

-Canadian Forces Base, Borden (Canada), listed as M13/40
-Canadian Forces Base, Wainwright (Canada), listed as M13/40 too

Are they M14/41?

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
BruceClark
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 109

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:56 pm
Post subject: Canadian M13/40s or M14/41s?

The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise.

FWIW
Bruce
Back to top
View user's profile
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

CFB Borden: M14/41, serial number RE 3410
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

thanks !

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
JohnPrigent
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 35
Location: Sussex, UK
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:08 am
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

Tom Jentz identified the Bovington tank as an M14/41, I think from its serial number.

Cheers

John

_________________
Cheers

John
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Borden Italian tank - M13/40 or M14/41?

- BruceClark
The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise.

FWIW
Bruce


Try this for photo ID ... Not my strong suit by a long shot, but I know how to save internet links:

ipmswinnipeg.1afm.com/...p%2003.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Wainwright Italian M13/40 or M14/41?

- BruceClark
The Borden Tank needs positive confirmation as an M13/40 but the Wainwright example is a M14/41 though the sign says otherwise.

FWIW
Bruce


Here is the other link required:

ipmswinnipeg.1afm.com/...p%2096.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Italian M13/40s or M14/41s? - Bovington, APG, etc...

The Italian tank at Borden was confirmed to be an M13/40, a friend of mine explained me why :

There are 2 rivets up and down the hull MG armored cover; the direction of the rods of the engine plate and the fact that there are no mudguards on the sprocket confirm this is an M13/40..(sorry for my inaccurate terms..)

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum