±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: freaknikz
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6598

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 113
Total: 113
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Photo Gallery
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Photo Gallery
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Photo Gallery
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: News Archive
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Member Screenshots
112: Community Forums
113: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 696

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:42 am
Post subject: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

www.armorama.com/modul...722&page=1

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:03 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

Can confirm that total overhaul is planned according to intel from Military Technical Museum Lesany staff. This LT-35 should be in running order one day!
Great news for Czech armour fans.

Some rumours were circulating about this LT-35 being long term loan only. That was not true, fortunately.
Thanks for such friendly gift.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:36 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

When I examined this vehicle, I was puzzled by the pattern of impact marks on the turret and hull. Can anyone tell me how this was done and to what purpose?

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2026
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:40 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

The few bullet splashes or the weird tool marks from the steel rolling process?

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:44 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

- Joe_D
The few bullet splashes or the weird tool marks from the steel rolling process?

Joe D

Joe,
The tool marks.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2026
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:51 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

Doug,

Be a guess but I imagine it's just a by product of who ever provided the steel. Seen similar marks on old Austrian RR equipment in Graz many years ago, can't see why they would deliberately etch the steel. (Had an uncle who was a machinist/blacksmith there)

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:49 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

There are similar marks on many of the vehicles at Aberdeen. They show upon older vehicles like the LT-35 and newer ones like the Jagdpz Kanone. They show upon many nationality vehicles. They show upoften near plate edges and opebnings that were made in the metal. I've wondered if they were the result of some type of impact device that measures the surface hardness of the armor.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:47 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

- bsmart

..... I've wondered if they were the result of some type of impact device that measures the surface hardness of the armor.


Yeah Bob, its called a new LT with a hammer!! (Having been given technically plausable, BS story from a 'TRUSTED' Senior NCO......HA HA HA.) Cool Laughing

"Tink,....Tink,.....Tink,.....THUNK!!"

Mr. Green

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2026
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:23 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

Good one Don Laughing ,

I can see it now Cool ,

A scene from the Motor Pool at APG during the 1950's.


SFC : "Hey LT, The Old Man said we needed to find out which Country made the best steel for their tanks"

LT : "How do we do that?"

SFC: "You take this hammer here Sir, then you tap along the tank sides and listen."

LT : "Listen for what?"

SFC : "For dull sounds Sir. If the Armor is soft it won't "Tink" when you hit it. Instead it'll "Thunk". Then you mark it for the Ordinance guys to find."

Then the poor sap starts tapping tanks until some one asks him what he's doing and informs him he's been had Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

That's it Bob

Probably the same guy who had the really great idea about recycling.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:52 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

I notice that pattern of those imprints are very regular. Not perfect, but definitely a pattern.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

Plate steel goes through rollers to take big molten slabs down to size. That looks like a pattern on the surface of whatever rollers were used at the plant. Or it might have something to do with the forming of flat plates to slightly conical rounded pieces to be cut into turret parts. Maybe the patterning has something to do with gripping the plates for shaping. Think noodle maker ....
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

Palic might have some good insight into this - perhaps its also seen on other Czechoslovak tanks?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:03 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

There is something strange with those "imprint marks". Definitely this armour is rolled one so these "imprint marks" could be the results of handling rollers actin.
But my eyeball Mk.I can see something... These "imprint marks" are not located between rivets - and there is dense row of them below the rivets along upper edge of hull... Big question mark...
Looks like somebody used a hammer or another tool... to clean thick layer of colours and rust?

I would say our LT-38 runner is clean of such indentations...

Will check another pictures and report.

Have checked our sources - result is here:

Build number 10112, see the picture here: www.rozhlas.cz/_obraze...88953.jpeg
Produced by CKD Prague
Original Czechoslovak military registration: 13.962 (white on black)
Delivered to CZ Army in 1937, after occupation this vehicle minus its turret continued in service with German Wehrmacht as a Mörsezugmittel 35(t)...

After some non specified damage this vehicle was sent to Skoda Pilsen for repair and remained there till the liberation of Czechoslovakia.
After liberation this vehicle was equipped with turret and repaired on request of US HQ and shipped to USA for tests of pneumatic steering system...


Last edited by palic on Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:24 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:16 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

- palic
There is something strange with those "imprint marks". Definitely this armour is rolled one so these "imprint marks" could be the results of handling rollers actin.
But my eyeball Mk.I can see something... These "imprint marks" are not located between rivets - and there is dense row of them below the rivets along upper edge of hull... Big question mark...
I would say our LT-38 runner is clean of such indentations...

Will check another pictures and report.


Palic,
If you look in the forward area, beginning with the end of the middle camo pattern, you'll see that there are some of these indentations between the rivets, but you're certainly correct about change in pattern and them being more dense along upper hull as you move your gaze to the left (the rear).

Interesting that your LT-38 is devoid of these marks.


Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:13 am
Post subject: Re: Aberdeen PzKpfw 35(t) going back home

- palic


Have checked our sources - result is here:

Build number 10112, see the picture here: www.rozhlas.cz/_obraze...88953.jpeg
Produced by CKD Prague
Original Czechoslovak military registration: 13.962 (white on black)
Delivered to CZ Army in 1937, after occupation this vehicle minus its turret continued in service with German Wehrmacht as a Mörsezugmittel 35(t)...

After some non specified damage this vehicle was sent to Skoda Pilsen for repair and remained there till the liberation of Czechoslovakia.
After liberation this vehicle was equipped with turret and repaired on request of US HQ and shipped to USA for tests of pneumatic steering system...


Thanks much for the info Palic! I will have to update my info accordingly! Wouldnt be the first time the Ordnance Museum files were incorrect I must admit...

The LT-35 must have been liberated at the same time as the Hetzer: "Captured new at the Pilsen factory and shipped to APG. Some internal equipment was 'liberated' from it during transit"

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum