±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 688
Total: 688
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: CPGlang
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Home
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Downloads
21: Photo Gallery
22: Photo Gallery
23: Member Screenshots
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Community Forums
29: Photo Gallery
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Photo Gallery
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Member Screenshots
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Statistics
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: News Archive
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Downloads
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: News
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Downloads
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Your Account
100: Photo Gallery
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Member Screenshots
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Photo Gallery
113: Home
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Downloads
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: News
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Home
130: Your Account
131: Community Forums
132: Downloads
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Downloads
143: Community Forums
144: Your Account
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Home
148: CPGlang
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Downloads
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Downloads
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Statistics
162: Photo Gallery
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Downloads
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Member Screenshots
170: Community Forums
171: LinkToUs
172: News Archive
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Home
178: Photo Gallery
179: Photo Gallery
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Your Account
188: Community Forums
189: Your Account
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Downloads
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Downloads
216: Home
217: Photo Gallery
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Home
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Downloads
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Downloads
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Statistics
232: Home
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Downloads
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: News Archive
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Member Screenshots
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: News
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Photo Gallery
275: Downloads
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Downloads
280: Your Account
281: News Archive
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Photo Gallery
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Downloads
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Statistics
309: Community Forums
310: CPGlang
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Your Account
315: Photo Gallery
316: Your Account
317: CPGlang
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Member Screenshots
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Downloads
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Search
336: Photo Gallery
337: Community Forums
338: Photo Gallery
339: Community Forums
340: Member Screenshots
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: CPGlang
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Downloads
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Home
356: Photo Gallery
357: Photo Gallery
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Photo Gallery
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Photo Gallery
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Photo Gallery
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Downloads
377: Statistics
378: Community Forums
379: Statistics
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Tell a Friend
385: Home
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Member Screenshots
389: Photo Gallery
390: Member Screenshots
391: Community Forums
392: Home
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Home
400: Home
401: Downloads
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: CPGlang
409: Your Account
410: Photo Gallery
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Photo Gallery
419: CPGlang
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Downloads
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Home
431: Member Screenshots
432: Community Forums
433: Home
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Member Screenshots
439: Photo Gallery
440: Photo Gallery
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Photo Gallery
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: CPGlang
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Photo Gallery
452: Photo Gallery
453: Photo Gallery
454: Community Forums
455: Downloads
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Home
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Downloads
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: CPGlang
476: Community Forums
477: Home
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: CPGlang
493: Downloads
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Home
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Photo Gallery
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Member Screenshots
506: Statistics
507: Photo Gallery
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Photo Gallery
516: Downloads
517: News Archive
518: Member Screenshots
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Downloads
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Photo Gallery
535: Photo Gallery
536: Community Forums
537: Photo Gallery
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: News Archive
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Community Forums
547: Downloads
548: Photo Gallery
549: Home
550: Community Forums
551: Downloads
552: Community Forums
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Home
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Your Account
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: News Archive
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Downloads
571: Community Forums
572: Home
573: Photo Gallery
574: Photo Gallery
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Downloads
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Photo Gallery
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Home
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Home
589: Community Forums
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: CPGlang
595: Community Forums
596: News Archive
597: Photo Gallery
598: Photo Gallery
599: Home
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Downloads
607: Community Forums
608: Downloads
609: Photo Gallery
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Your Account
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Photo Gallery
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Statistics
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: CPGlang
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Photo Gallery
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: CPGlang
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Home
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Downloads
649: Home
650: Photo Gallery
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Home
663: Community Forums
664: Photo Gallery
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Home
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Photo Gallery
673: Photo Gallery
674: Photo Gallery
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Photo Gallery
679: Community Forums
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Photo Gallery
685: Photo Gallery
686: Photo Gallery
687: CPGlang
688: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Sherman at Ft. Knox
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:19 am
Post subject: Sherman at Ft. Knox

I have been going thru many a photo. I havent seen this on any other Shermans. The EZ8 at the Post HQ/Colors, it has a lift ring on the port side of the turret? Does anyone know why it was added and what purpose it serves? I know from Doug K. (and others) the vehicle is still used by the MP's, etc...
SR

Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:28 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

- SHAWN
I have been going thru many a photo. I havent seen this on any other Shermans. The EZ8 at the Post HQ/Colors, it has a lift ring on the port side of the turret? Does anyone know why it was added and what purpose it serves? I know from Doug K. (and others) the vehicle is still used by the MP's, etc...
SR



Shawn,
Do you mean the one on Brooks Field at Ft. Knox? I though it had "Thunderbolt" on it now. Not used by MP's, of course, but is just a parade ground guardian and I think they might still use it for a "retreat gun" in the evenings. Used to have a gas-powered simulator on main gun, but I think this is done "through the tube" now.

Don probably knows a lot more about this vehicle than I....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:54 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

This was present on the early 76mm turrets. The T23 tanks - from which this turret was adapted - had this lug and fittings on the opposite side of the turret. The idea was that a small frame could be mounted in the fittings and anchored on this lug to allow a tank to lift out its own engine, using the turret to pivot it off the side. T26 tanks - including I think the M26 at the museum - had this as well. Anyways, it is believed that the first Sherman 76mm turrets were actually left over T23 castings and thus included this lug.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:38 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

Kurt do you happen to have a photo? I havent seen this particular ring on any turret-- prototype or production turrets. It isnt present on the starboard side of the same Sherman. It isn't on the M26 either indoors or outdoors at the museum. ????



Yes, Doug, that is the one.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
DanFong
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

Here's a picture of an M4A3w76 of the 9th AD in Korbecke, Germany 1945 and it has one of the earlier 76mm turrets with the extra lifting eye. This style of turret shows up in a fair number of WW2 pics.


Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

There are others in existence. See my Picasa album at;
picasaweb.google.com/gebinder01

Go to the album "M4A3 Shermans in Nebraska", then page down to the M4A3E8 in Tecumseh, NE for a batch of photos.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

Shawn:

I found photos of the M26 outside the museum. It doesn't have the fittings, but on the left side of the turret there are two pads where the clevises for the frame would be welded on.

The fittings are shown about 3/4 of the way down this page:

www.ferreamole.it/imag...m26_01.htm

On the right side, in about the same relative position as the Sherman, the anchor lug is welded on.

afvdb.50megs.com/usa/p...rshing.jpg

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

Thanks Kurt, I appreciate this. Please tell me more about this feature on the turret.
I spent the other day looking thru Sherman pics. I found a few, but less than more. I didnt find alot. I found 8, one pic being a FM/TM picture, but no consistancy, the other FM/TM pics didnt have the eyelet. It was more of a puzzle-- not specific to any unit, various battalions had them-- lead me to more assumptions. I generated more questions than I had answers.

I noticed that I only found this turret on the A3 models. I didnt see it on any A1 models. Is it safe to say the origianl contract for the M4A1/76 and the T23 overlapped and the A1's were completed with a "revised" (whatever?) T23 turret? As the contract was renewed and implementation of up-gunning was put into full swing, coupled the cancellation of the T23, the we go back and use the original T23 turrets?
I didnt see this on any M4A1's only on M4A3's, is this an accurate finding?

I only saw it on the turrets that had the split circular loaders hatch.
It isnt even a feature on the M4E6 turret (only 2 produced?).

So with the T23, how many were actually produced? I have a request for 288, where all 288 manufactured (at least the turrets?)? The eyelet isnt a part of the casting, it is a feature added to the casting. How many could have been welded with this feature, etc.?

Are there any photos of this A-frame in use? I take it, it had been a good theory, but it was more cost effective to leave such intended maintenace to the unit's maintenace sections?

(I take all this and a 1.25 and I can buy myself a Coke... that is what one of my professors use to tell us in re: value of her lectures, but back than I think soda's were .50!!!-- "You take what you've just learn and 2 quarters and you can go down to the vending machine and buy yourself a soda")
off topic-- That is the only thing I ever remember from her class too!! I really didnt like her...
SR
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

Kurt,
footnote: the photos I had/have been going through are WW2 photos...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

The ring was so John Wayne could have this on his key chain Mr. Green

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Sherman at Ft. Knox

"I didnt see this on any M4A1's only on M4A3's, is this an accurate finding?"

I think so. Each plant had it's own subcontracts for parts. PSC - who built the M4A1(76) used USC to make new turrets for them. Detroit Tank Arsenal made the T23 and thus probably already had turrets in house, in the pipeline, or in development (unknown exactly) when they started making M4A3(76)s.

"I only saw it on the turrets that had the split circular loaders hatch."

Yes, and not even all of them. The oval hatch turrets were a different part number.

"So with the T23, how many were actually produced?"

On the Limited Procurement contract, 250, plus a handful of the various prototypes.

"The eyelet isnt a part of the casting, it is a feature added to the casting. How many could have been welded with this feature, etc.?"

All of them -??

"Are there any photos of this A-frame in use?"

Not on a Sherman - the set up was incomplete. There might be one in Hunnicutt's Pershing.

"I take it, it had been a good theory, but it was more cost effective to leave such intended maintenace to the unit's maintenace sections? "

I haven't seen any explanations.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum