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Fort Lewis #10: 14th Cav Memorial M4A1E8 with odd cupola
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:08 pm
Post subject: Fort Lewis #10: 14th Cav Memorial M4A1E8 with odd cupola

14th Cavalry Memorial

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:11 pm
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What is with the weird cupola ???

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:29 pm
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Good question... Museum guy I spoke with on the phone said their M4A1E8s had come from Germany FWIW...

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:47 pm
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Looks like they put a spacer between the turret and cupola so the MG mount would clear the periscope housing.

Mount looks similar to the AA mounts the experimented with on the M48's, although this thing looks like a local kit bash and pretty ungainly. One of those "WTF??" oddities.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:10 pm
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Yeah, really. Pretty strange. I've never seen that before, I'm sure it doesn't rotate ... does it. Confused
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Lotta trouble for nothing making that thing if it doesn't.

The cupola looks vaguely familiar, but for the life of me I can't place it. I don't think it's for a Sherman, M75 APC maybe???

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Fort Lewis #10: 14th Cav Memorial M4A1E8 with odd cupola

Neil,

I'd be very interested in seeing and having hi-res images of the XR-311 in particular. I got a little time on the final version of that at Ft. Knox and had corresponded with a collector in Japan who owns two of the originals...fully restored. I've posted low-res versions of some of his personal detail shots on occasion. Especially interested to see which "version" they have.

One of the sexiest vehicles ever contemplated by the Army. Morphed into the HMMWV, which you can see (if you squint).

Don't hesitate to PM me. I'll share. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Fort Lewis #10: 14th Cav Memorial M4A1E8 with odd cupola

The two M4A1(76) used to be (2000) in the middle of the base , side by side, next to an armor unit HQ. There was an M728 about 250 yards up the same road.

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They've probably been split up since I'm fairly certain there are no more pure armor units at Lewis - just Stryker cavalry RSTA squadrons.

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Post subject: Re: Fort Lewis #10: 14th Cav Memorial M4A1E8 with odd cupola

Kurt, do you know which one of these Shermans you identified as 52499?

Since they're A1s the only place to find the SN is inside right?

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:03 pm
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S/N 52499 would be the M4A1(76). I emailed the museum and their guy went out and found it on the dataplate.

At least with the PSC tanks, it's only inside. There are some externally visible build marks, but they aren't 1:1 with the S/N.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:04 pm
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S/N 52499 would be the M4A1(76). I emailed the museum and their guy went out and found it on the dataplate.

At least with the PSC tanks, it's only inside. There are some externally visible build marks, but they aren't 1:1 with the S/N.

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