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The Netherlands AFV Registers
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:54 pm
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Interesting, two Leopard 1Vs. I did know of one at Maaldrift, and another at Heesch of which this last I didn't know if it was property of the Delft museum. It seems I have to convince my boss that I have some business to do in the Amersfoort/Soesterberg area. At Soesterberg the vehicles are located in the old helicopter hangars on the Dutch side of the base. At the former US side only some aircraft from the air force museum are stored

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P.S. Next week I'am at the Bergen (DEU) training area, if it is possible I will take some photos.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:40 pm
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Hi Lesley,

would you also be interrested in an copy of the NLD AFV Reg??

I could use youre help sorting the original list Neil posted.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:01 pm
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News flash

Lesly and P-O got an first copy of the NL register

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:31 pm
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When working through the various lists I found something curious

Apparently there are 2 types of M4 Sherman tanks that have identical painted on vehicle numbers

Now people may say, that could happen because they are painted on

Agreed, however both tanks are in the same museum

At the Cavalry Museum at Amersfoort they have an M4A3(105) Sherman
Vehicle number: 30126810

However%20they%20also%20have%20an%20M4A1(76)W%20E8%20Sherman Also%20vehicle%20number:%2030126810

They are not directly in line of sigth of each other because there is an building in between, but the distance will only be about 400meters

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:17 am
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For Netherlands AFV Registers this link my help:

gaf.zeelandnet.nl/yp40...vivor.html

The register of DAF YP408, it have many DAF APC in Netherlands.

If you Michel or any one beside you have good photos of DAF YP408, could you posted them (I want to create a register of them).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:12 am
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Hi Bialy

Thanks for the link

Concerning the photo's I can get you picture's of the YP-408 at the following museum locations

- 4 at Harskamp
- 1 at Overloon
- 1 at Amersfoort
- 1 at Soesterberg

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That would be great.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:42 pm
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Bialy and others,

the famous Dutch DAF YP-408

DAF YP-408 PWI-S GR KN-75-54-2009
DAF%20YP-408-PW-CO%20KN-88-91_Overloon-2008 DAF%20YP-408-PWGWT%20KN-87-17_Harskamp-2009

Bialy, before you start using this 3 picture's for the register
On the link below you can go to the Photoshop album YP-408
There you will find all 6 different YP-408 I mentioned earlier

s1015.photobucket.com/...%20YP-408/

The name of the picture's posted above all start with S-DAF... s-meaning small (500xn)
You could find the same picture's bigger in size sarting without s-.. (1200xn)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:46 am
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Hi folks,

about the different type's of the DAF YP-408, in total there where 8 different versions
The short PW or PantserWiel in English would be Armored wheeled
The other letters designate the type of use

YP408 PWI-S GR = PantserWiel Infanterie Standaard Groep = standard infantry section, crew of 3 with 9 infantry
YP408 PWI-S PC = PantserWiel Infanterie Standaard PelotonsCommandant = platoon commander, vehicle has additional radio's
YP408 PWCO = PantserWiel COmpagniescommandant = company commander
YP408 PW-GWT = PantserWiel GeWondenTransport = wounded transport
YP408 PW-V = PantserWiel Vracht = cargo
YP408 PW-MT aka YP408 PW-MR = PantserWiel MortierTrekker = towing of mortar
YP408 PWAT (TOW) = PantserWiel Anti Tank = anti-tank missile TOW
YP408 PW-RDR = PantserWiel RADAR = vehicle with doppler radar

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:38 pm
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here are some additional information :

Schaarsbergen
Arnhem War Museum 40-45, Kemperbergerweg (N 52 1.602, E 5 52.304)
M4 Sherman US out
It is an M4A4, serial number 21169, original (factory) registration number 3021475. The M4(75) turret is beside the tank
T34/85 USSR out
There are also an M16 Half-Track MGMCand a T17E1 Staghound Armored Car with the running gear missing, but with the turret. You can add them in the register.

Oosterbeek
Airborne museum, Utrechtseweg (N 51 59.293, E 5 49.967)
M4A4 Sherman US out
SN 5964, original RN 3057774

Best
Museum Bevrijdende Vleugels, Sonseweg (N 51 30.913, E 5 26.389)
M4A1(76)W Sherman US out sn 30419403
M4A1(76)W E8 HVSS US out
Panzer 61 MBT CHE out
T-34/85 MBT
There is also a G13 Hetzer there

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:29 pm
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Overloon
Liberty Park, Museumpark 1 (N 51 34.206, E 5 57.197)
[b]the Sexton, the second M3A1 Scout Car, the BRDM-2, the T17E1 Straghound hull and the 3 M29 Weasels (including 1 M29C) are missing in the list. You can also add the M25 Dragon Wagon. thye GT-SM (Gaz-71), the M4 HST, M5 HST and M6 HST (as fully tracked vehicles).

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:00 pm
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P-O,

thanks for the additional vehicle's.

However this list leaves me with an question.
The M25 has armour and is armed, so technically can be on the list.

However the high speed tractor's M4-M5-M6, should they be on the list?
Maybe I am wrong, because in my opinion they are not real AFV's.
I placed them in the category of truck's.
Something like an deuce and a half with an MG on the cabin, only tracked

If the general opinion is that they should be on the list, no problem
Let me know

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:47 am
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Michel,

if you look to other AFVs registers, both M25 Dragon Wagon, M4/M5/M6 HSTs and even M29 Weasels are listed.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:50 am
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Hi P-O

then I will put them in the list.

I also would like to ad then an M29 Weasel of the museum Wings of Liberation at Best.

Regards,

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:21 pm
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I'm looking for AMX Mk 61 Self Propelled Howitzer in Netherlands. Michel do you know any?
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