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Help/Pics Needed - Camp Pendleton, CA
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Starting over with different threads of specific vehicles for the USA AFV Register. Pics needed & additional info welcome:

Marine Corps Mechanized Museum, Building 2612, Vandegrift Blvd 1
LVT-AA-X1 USA std?
M42 Duster USA out?
M60A3 USA out
M74 Sherman TRV USA out?
M103A2 USA out Formerly in Rochester, NY?
M109A3 USA out?
M110A2 USA out
M110A2 USA std? To be converted to M107
M1046 USA out
M1114 USA out
Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha JPN out?

World War II and Korea LVT Museum, Building 21561
LVT(A)1 USA ind 1 of 3 surviving LVT(A)1s in the US?
LVT1 Alligator USA ind One of two in the United States
LVT2 Water Buffalo USA ind Only surviving example?
LVT3C Bushmaster USA ind One of five confirmed LVT3s in the US
LVT4 USA ind
LVT(A)5 USA ind 1 of 2 surviving LVT(A)5s in the US

School of Infantry West, Static Display, Basilone Rd
MT-LB SOV out

LAV Memorial 3
LAV-25 USA out
LAV-TUA USA out

Elsewhere on base
LVTH6 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTR1 USA out

Thanks!

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Hi Neil, I see that no one else has replied to this one with recent pictures, so I thought I would offer again with some old photos. I have added photos of some of these vehicles to my photobucket account from a visit to Pendleton in 1999. Displays have probably changed quite a bit since then, and I certainly didn't see all of the vehicles on your list, however If any of my photos are of use you are welcome to use them.

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Alf,
Many thanks!

FYI, I am still looking for the following (from anyone)!

Marine Corps Mechanized Museum, Building 2612, Vandegrift Blvd 1
LVT-AA-X1 USA std?
M42 Duster USA out?
M60A3 USA out
M74 Sherman TRV USA out?
M103A2 USA out Formerly in Rochester, NY?
M109A3 USA out?
M110A2 USA out
M110A2 USA std? To be converted to M107
M1046 USA out
M1114 USA out
Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha JPN out?

World War II and Korea LVT Museum, Building 21561
LVT2 Water Buffalo USA ind Only surviving example?
LVT4 USA ind

School of Infantry West, Static Display, Basilone Rd
MT-LB SOV out

LAV Memorial 2
LAV-25 USA out
LAV-TUA USA out

Elsewhere on base
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTR1 USA out

Thanks!

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LAV Memorial:

www.marines.mil/units/...orial.aspx

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Thanks Chris - unfortunately the picture links dont work Sad

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Photo gallery of Camp Pendleton:
s698.photobucket.com/a...CA%201999/
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bialy-r,
Thanks - saw that one a few weeks ago. But the items above still stand as outstanding/needed.

Neil
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LVT-AA-X1 USA ------------------------------------ from amphib museum, no engine
M42 Duster USA ----------------------------------- from mechanicsberg, pa drmo, in shop but not being worked on
M60A3 USA out ------------------------------------ from a railway museum - runs
M60A1 -------------------------------------------- from rochester, ny no engine
M74 Sherman TRV USA ------------------------------ from yuma proving grounds - missing spade and engine decking, this was an extra one that they had and not the one that is on display
M103A2 USA out ----------------------------------- from rochester, ny, no engine
M109A3 USA out ----------------------------------- from yuma proving grounds
M110A2 USA out ----------------------------------- from 29 palms, saved from going to range
M110A2 ------------------------------------------- is now M107, runs
M1046 USA ---------------------------------------- inside
M1114 USA ---------------------------------------- inside
Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha -------------------------- we do not have and have never had this

M48 ---------------------------------------------- from 29 palms, saved from going to range
M578 --------------------------------------------- from yuma proving grounds
SUSV --------------------------------------------- inside

Pictures: www.themech.org/roster.html

High Res: www.themech.org/img/ro...oster_src/
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Welcome aboard blackdog,

Thanks for sharing your pictures. Many of these vehicles have not been seen here before.

I'm wondering if the M60A3 came from the Portola Rail Road Museum, I've lost track of her since they moved one of their very large Steam Locomotives.

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Camp Pendleton, CA is there a M76 Otter or is it only in Barstow, photo:
www.surfacezero.com/ju...G_6505.JPG
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- Joe_D
:wel: aboard blackdog,

Thanks for sharing your pictures. Many of these vehicles have not been seen here before.

I'm wondering if the M60A3 came from the Portola Rail Road Museum, I've lost track of her since they moved one of their very large Steam Locomotives.

Joe,
I was thinking the same thing about the A3.

Thanks blackdog for the pics! They are a goldmine. Looks like I'll be planning a road trip to Camp P. real soon!

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blackdog, good hearing from you again!

Many thanks for the info!

The Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha was formerly on display at the Navy Museum, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, D.C. and the Marine Air-Ground Museum at Quantico. I was told in 2008 by my contact at the National Museum of the Marine Corps at Quantico that "the 97 is actually on loan to Camp Pendleton."

Any idea where else it might be at Pendleton?

I also understand that Pendleton had a couple of Shermans on display in the 1970s - are they still there?

Below is my complete listing of Pendleton updated with your info - please let me know if I have something wrong.

Thanks!

Neil

Marine Corps Mechanized Museum, Building 2612, Vandegrift Blvd 1
AAAV PSD USA out AAAV Propulsion System Demonstrator
LVT-AA-X1 USA out Ex LVT Museum
M16A1 GMC USA std
M42 Duster USA std Ex Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania DRMO
M48 Patton USA out? Ex Twentynine Palms, California
M56 Scorpion USA std
M60A1 USA out Formerly in Rochester, NY?
M60A3 USA out
M60A3 USA out
M74 USA std Ex Yuma PG, missing spade & decking
M103A2 USA out Ex Reserve Center, Rochester, NY
M107 USA std? Converted from M110A2, runner
M109A3 USA out? Ex Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona
M110A2 USA out Ex Twentynine Palms, California
M578 USA std Ex Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona
M973 SUSV USA out
M1046 USA ind
M1114 USA ind
Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha JPN out? One of four in the US 2
XM759 Marginal Terrain Veh. USA ind
YW531 CHN out

World War II and Korea LVT Museum, Building 21561
LVT(A)1 USA ind 1 of 3 surviving LVT(A)1s in the US?
LVT1 Alligator USA ind One of two in the United States
LVT2 Water Buffalo USA ind Only surviving example?
LVT3 Bushmaster USA out One of two in original configuration
LVT3C Bushmaster USA ind One of seven confirmed LVT3s in US
LVT4 USA ind
LVT(A)5 modified USA std FMC modified postwar; 1 of 2 in US

School of Infantry West, Static Display, Basilone Rd
BMP-1 SOV out
MT-LB SOV out
T-55 SOV out
T-62 SOV out

LAV Memorial 3
LAV-25 USA out
LAV-TUA USA out

Camp Del Mar Entrance
LVTH6 USA out

Elsewhere on base
LVTE1 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5A1 USA out
LVTR1 USA out
LVTR7 USA out
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The M60A3 is indeed from the Portola Railroad Museum, I just couldn't think of the name. It was painted four color camo but we painted it tan.

We have two M76 Otters. One is at Barstow and one is on Camp Pendleton. Neither run, and we don't have any plans for them at this time due to lack of parts availability. I had done a lot of research to try and find suitable replacement roadwheels (which are actually pneumatic) but I had no luck.

As for the Type 97, still don't have a clue as to where it is. I am almost 100% positive that it is not here. I don't think that the Flying Leathernecks museum would have it either, even though they have two Japanese cannons, and I don't think MCRD has the room.

We have two M56 Scorpions, one has a fake gun and has had most of the fenders rebuilt and the other is a QM-56 Mobile Land Target that was used by China Lake.

We only have one M60A3.

The XM579 runs and was restored when it was on loan to Gabaraino (I spelt it wrong) WW2 Museum in San Rafael.

Don't know what a YW531 is.

I think that the LVTE1 was swapped out for another P5 style track from Barstow. Check the pictures I posted in the other thread, as I'm not entirely sure.

We are working on a trade with 29 Palms for their Ontos. We would like to fully restore it but from the photos I've seen it looks to be in pretty poor shape (track and roadwheel wise). I went looking for the mythical MCAS Miramar/Camp Elliott Ontos but had no luck. I have spoken to several people who have seen it though. I am going to MCAS Miramar this weekend and plan to do some more looking around.

Oh, and about the two Shermans that were on display here. One of them is now on display at 1st Tanks, 29 Palms. The other one... not quite sure. It may be the one that is on display at 4th Tanks? I heard from a guy a while back that there were several International trucks and other equipment that made it out in the late 80's and early 90's but I have no idea if this is accurate information or not.

We do want a Sherman though. And any other armor that anyone is willing to give up, really. The Mechanized Museum came into the picture kind of late in the game so we're playing catch up with all the other museums that have had stuff forever...
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Thanks again for all the info blackdog.

- blackdog


As for the Type 97, still don't have a clue as to where it is. I am almost 100% positive that it is not here. I don't think that the Flying Leathernecks museum would have it either, even though they have two Japanese cannons, and I don't think MCRD has the room.


I'll recheck with my Quantico contact - maybe he misremembered 29 Palms for Pendleton?



Don't know what a YW531 is.



Chinese APC, likely ex Iraqi.

Here you go. Admittedly looks like it may be at a traffic circle than at the museum.

s698.photobucket.com/a...531APC.jpg
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s698.photobucket.com/a...TE-SH1.jpg



We are working on a trade with 29 Palms for their Ontos. We would like to fully restore it but from the photos I've seen it looks to be in pretty poor shape (track and roadwheel wise). I went looking for the mythical MCAS Miramar/Camp Elliott Ontos but had no luck. I have spoken to several people who have seen it though. I am going to MCAS Miramar this weekend and plan to do some more looking around.



Well, Dontos on here would certainly be the guy to talk to about that...

On a semi-related note, is that M3A1 Scout Car still undergoing restoration at Miramar?



Oh, and about the two Shermans that were on display here. One of them is now on display at 1st Tanks, 29 Palms. The other one... not quite sure. It may be the one that is on display at 4th Tanks? I heard from a guy a while back that there were several International trucks and other equipment that made it out in the late 80's and early 90's but I have no idea if this is accurate information or not.


That's what I suspected, thanks for the confirmation.

Thanks again!

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To "blackdog"

Could you post current photos os those vehicles from Camp Pendleton, CA (USA):

M76 Otter
two M56 Scorpion

and

Camp Del Mar Entrance
LVTH6 USA out

Elsewhere on base
LVTE1 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5 USA out
LVTP5A1 USA out
LVTR1 USA out
LVTR7 USA out

Thanks to them and your help I would update Registers on the.shadock.free.fr/postww2.html
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