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Romanian Military Museum: Shermies, MkIV's, an' stuff....
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Great items! I believe the horizontal barrelled weapon is a Nordenfeldt Gun, the rotary five-barrel a Hotchkiss and the weapon with carriage appears to be a Mitrailleuse of some sort - perhaps even a Montigny Mitrailleuse. Truly an interesting assortment of weapons.

Alan


Yes, I think the rotary is a Hotchkiss, didn't see any magazines or slots though, I assumed it was a one-shot-per, then manual reload. I might have pics of info plates, was trying not to clutter the armor stuff with OT stuff. My pics are out of sequence as I was trying to "husband" my memory card, which is not very systematic, but you never know what you might need to sacrifice when you find something more interestng to shoot! I'll sort through my stuff.

Maybe we can appeal to Ossie for more info since he's going soon!
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- Cloudy
Great items! I believe the horizontal barrelled weapon is a Nordenfeldt Gun, the rotary five-barrel a Hotchkiss and the weapon with carriage appears to be a Mitrailleuse of some sort - perhaps even a Montigny Mitrailleuse. Truly an interesting assortment of weapons.

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I was thinking the horizontal barrelled weapon looked like the Nordenfeldt that we have at Aberdeen. I don't know if Neil has any pictures or not.

The rotary wepons look like typical Gatling type weapons of the time. There was usually a bin or a stick magazine used to feed them

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Truly an interesting assortment of weapons.


Aint that the truth! Though I may have to lambast Doug for several months for not taking more images....

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:30 pm
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Great items! I believe the horizontal barrelled weapon is a Nordenfeldt Gun, the rotary five-barrel a Hotchkiss and the weapon with carriage appears to be a Mitrailleuse of some sort - perhaps even a Montigny Mitrailleuse. Truly an interesting assortment of weapons.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:55 am
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hi ya

just to let you know we are going to Romania on the 25th april to 2 may to attend a Family wedding so that period is when i am going to the museum, i have the date 27th planned
ossie


Whew! OK, thought we'd lost you there for minute. We expect updates and pictures....and we don't mean wedding pictures!

Since who doesn't love multi-barrel implements of destruction, I'll take this opportunity to wander off topic with a few pics from the previous visit of a few that caught my eye...like this early Naval five-barrel thingy that looked about right for raking the decks of the other guy (or as early AA):

...or%20an%20early%20rotary-barrel%2037mm%20design,%20of%20which%20they%20had%20a%20couple%20(these%20were%20not%20high%20ROF%20designs%20or%20anything,%20compared%20to%20what%20we%20think%20of%20as%20Gatling%20designs,%20after%20the%20five%20fired,%20it%20was%20manual%20reload%20time): THIS%20was%20in%20the%20building%20that%20houses%20the%20uniform%20collection...a%2037-barrel...well,%20not%20so%20much%20a%20\"machine%20gun\"%20as%20an%20early%20version%20of%20what%20we'd%20call%20\"metalstorm\",%20since%20my%20understanding%20is%20that%20all%20the%20barrels%20would%20only%20fire%20simultaneously.%20I%20was%20there%20early%20in%20the%20morning%20and%20the%20devastatingly%20cute%20docent%20in%20that%20area%20had%20no%20other%20visitors%20and%20obligingly%20moved%20the%20ropes%20for%20better%20access.%20I%20have%20a%20flash%20shot%20of%20the%20breech%20area,%20but%20this%20brightened%20one%20without%20flash%20is%20better.%20The%20big%20brass%20catcher%20is%20interesting,%20they%20must%20have%20really%20needed%20to%20recover%20the%20brass%20for%20this%20thing,%20I'm%20guessing.%20I%20don't%20know%20if%20there%20was%20a%20\"loading%20block\"%20like%20a%20\"speedloader\"%20or%20something%20or%20if%20each%20was%20emplaced%20one%20at%20a%20time%20by%20hand.%20The%20big%20ammo%20bins%20on%20either%20side%20looked%20like%20they%20might%20have%20held%20something%20like%20that,%20but%20I%20didn't%20see%20any.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:49 pm
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hi ya

just to let you know we are going to Romania on the 25th april to 2 may to attend a Family wedding so that period is when i am going to the museum, i have the date 27th planned
ossie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:57 am
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Nice T-55, TR-85 and TR-85M1 pics! Thanks!


Shame they can´t "trim their bush" though. Makes no sense to have that high brush around there. Oh, well, could be worse.


Hey! Where is Ossie and his pics? He should be back by now, methinks.
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Nice T-55, TR-85 and TR-85M1 pics! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:36 am
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- ossie
HI Neil and Doug

multumesc foarte mult domnilor.

pa pa domnilor


Oh yeah? Well, El Pollo Loco, to you too, Buddy! Laughing

Have a good trip....lotsa' pictures! Wink
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HI Neil and Doug

multumesc foarte mult domnilor.

pa pa domnilor
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:52 am
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Ossie,
Here is the museum website - it appears to be working.

muzeu.mapn.ro/

"Informatii" appears to have location information.

This & other websites indicate it is located at str. Mircea Vulcanesu (fosta Stefan Furtuna) nr. 125 - 127
www.ici.ro/romania/ro/...litar.html

Neil


As Neil said, and as I indicated in earlier post from a map I had:

Ossie,
It's at str. Mircea Vulcanescu, nr. 125-127, Sector 1 between Calea Plevnei and Dinicu Golescu Telephone 00 40 21 212 60 15

Hours are 0900-1700 Tuesday-Sunday. Closed Mondays.

It's just across the street from the backside of the military hospital too, if that helps. Taxis seemed to have no problem knowing this location, it's a big place. Print this and Neil's info out and hand it to them. Wink

When in doubt, I stop in a better business hotel, like the Hilton Athenee Palace and get an area map and have the concierge locate the target on the map for the driver.
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Ossie,
Here is the museum website - it appears to be working.

muzeu.mapn.ro/

"Informatii" appears to have location information.

This & other websites indicate it is located at str. Mircea Vulcanesu (fosta Stefan Furtuna) nr. 125 - 127
www.ici.ro/romania/ro/...litar.html

Neil
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:15 am
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HI Doug

we are going to Romaina to bucharest on the 15th till 20th of march , you said it was in sector one , i would like to go there with my wife who is Romanian , we looked last time we were there and could not find it, also it is not listed on the Romainan websites, alot of the museums have been shut down.
have you been to the museum which is ''Cercul Militar'' near pitza hut.
can you let us know . cristina comes from sector three , the other side of the town,
can you help me
Ossie
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:47 am
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Deal is that the M4A2 with 75mm didn't get the Wet Stowage ammo provisions. As well as the liquid surrounding the ammo racks, Wet Stowage moved the bulk of the main gun ammo down into the lower hull instead of being in the sponsons overhanging the tracks, so the M4A3 75 and 76mm versions didn't need the extra "patches" on the hull. M4A2 apparently (I haven't been in an M4A2 75 with late hull) kept the original ammo stoage layout, so the ammo racks still needed the extra protection, hence a number of them have late hulls with the applique patches. I believe that these show up with Soviet units and a few with the USMC. That makes this partial hull a bit of an oddity - the 47-degree hull with side applique from the factory.

My issue with the M4A3 and modelers is because Tamiya included the applique parts in their M4A3 kit (and still do) then modelers who don't know their subject keep gluing then on spoiling a number of finely executed models.
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Thanks for showing the photos. That front half of a Sherman hull is interesting. You have the remains of one of the "odd ducks" - an M4A2 with the 47-degree hull front AND applique armor. This hull is why Tamiya mistakenly sent (and still sends) applique armor panels with their M4A3 models (and dummies still put them on!). By the way, the tracks may or may not be burned - those are T49 all-steel tracks.

Gary


Could you tell us (or at least, me) more about these, Gary? I'm not well-informed about Shermans and am especially curious about this one.
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