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The Netherlands AFV Registers
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:27 am
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As for the trucks, my knowledge on swiss artillery isn't that great. The literature on the topic is limited, and mostly in german. But I've visited many museums and gathered some info and pictures along the time.


Massimo,

that is no problem, I was hoping that you might have an picture of it to recognize it

I will post some picture's this evening, I don not have the picture available at the moment

I'm suppost to be working Wink

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Massimo, I also have some picture's of artillery pieces
I think they are also Swiss made / modified


As for the trucks, my knowledge on swiss artillery isn't that great. The literature on the topic is limited, and mostly in german. But I've visited many museums and gathered some info and pictures along the time.

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Massimo and Jim,

thanks for ID on the truck's

make's it easier to sort them out Wink

Massimo, I also have some picture's of artillery pieces
I think they are also Swiss made / modified

Will make an post later today in de the artillery discussion board

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:06 pm
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On the radiator there are 2 letters: AS
These 2 letters appear also on various other parts of the truck

All I could find so far was on an plate inside the cabin
Besides an lot of numbers it also tells us
model type : S
manufacturer : Kelly
and the line "the heavy aviation truck US signal corps"

Michel


It is indeed a Kelly-Springfield Model S but its a version used by the US Air Force of the period - the letters AS = Air Service.

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Wait! It matches this Berna 4 UM in Schaffausen:
www.museumimzeughaus.c...amp;img=73
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It could be either a Saurer 4CM or a Berna 4UM. The only real way to tell the difference would be by examining the dataplate.

The Swiss nearly always sourced the same truck from two seperate manufacturers and Saurer & Berna have always produced trucks to a common specification.

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Be aware you may find Berna's trucks marked as Saurer:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berna
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurer

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Wait! It matches this Berna 4 UM in Schaffausen:
www.museumimzeughaus.c...=38&img=73

I have additional pictures I've took over there, send me an email if you would like a copy.

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According the museum this is an Swiss build Saurer truck and it has beeen used in the Swiss army

- who known's what type of truck this is


Should be a Saurer 2 CM. Please note I am not an expert in this field. I just have pictures from a bunch of trucks stored in Switzerland



- more important, who known's why the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the truck


In the past it was considered priority for a military driver to keep an eye on the right side of the road. Most old italian and swiss trucks have the steering wheel on the right

Hope it will help

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:51 am
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2nd mistery vehicle

Who know's what type of truck this is
On the radiator there are 2 letters: AS
These 2 letters appear also on various other parts of the truck

All I could find so far was on an plate inside the cabin
Besides an lot of numbers it also tells us
model type : S
manufacturer : Kelly
and the line "the heavy aviation truck US signal corps"



It looks like something WW 1 or just after that

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1ste of the mistery vehicle's



According the museum this is an Swiss build Saurer truck and it has beeen used in the Swiss army

- who known's what type of truck this is
- more important, who known's why the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the truck Confused

Standard all vehicle of continental Europe have the steering wheel on the left side of the vehicle

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:48 am
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Hi folks,

been to the Army Cars Museum at Zwijndrecht today (thursday) and walked around an little to take some photo's (it helps knowing the staff an little) Wink

First an up-date concerning about is it open or not
The official opening day is wednesday and depending on following factor's they decied to let you in
- how busy the staff is with restoring vehicle's or other activities;
- how much people there are standing at the entrance gate;
- the time it took for visitors to get to the museum;
- how difficult the visitor's language is to understand;

So best chance to get in is, is to pretend that you are with a full choach of people from China who do not speak English Mr. Green

Let get back to the museum collection
All the Russian truck's are gone, they have been sold all together to one buyer
All so most of the Rogers trailers have been sold, there is only 1 remaining of the about 6 that have been there

The collection looks an little chaotic at the moment, but there are some new vehicle's to fill-up the gaps

I will put them in a seperate post, because with some of them I will need help

Also I have serial numbers of the following vehicle's
- the Russian Shilka
- the german Kanonen Panzer
- the german Raketen Panzer

However I will need to sort out the picture's first

Michel

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Thanks Michel,

so it should read something like
M4A3E8 (1945 build) based M74 with Ford GAA V8 engine


Does some one known's what has happened to the M74 ARV that used to be at the Wings of Liberation museum at Best?

All I could find so far, are some old picture's of it on the Sherman's in Holland site
www.shermantank.nl/

Nothing from an recent date, so is it still there or is it gone??


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:17 pm
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Michel

I have some trouble with the date. As far as I know the M74 was a rebuild from around 1954, based on a M4A3E8 chassis (and that could be builded in 1945). The Ford GAA is correct.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:19 pm
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Hi folks,

I came across an advertisment today, for the sale of an M74 ARV in Overasselt - The Netherlands

The description in the advertisment reads:
M74 M4 1945 Ford GAA V8 engine

Would this be the correct description?
M74 would be correct, how about the rest of the description?



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:17 pm
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Hi P-O,

your friend also interested in M3 tanks?
Apperently Staman has 2 for sale, price on request


he already asked for the price, but he just can't spend 80 000€ yet..

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