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Surviving rare WW2 Sherman variants (Calliope, M12 GMC etc.)
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BTW, I just remembered there's at least one composite Sherman outside the US - in Australia.

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Kevin Wheatcroft has a composite hull Sherman that came from Israel. It has a 105mm howitzer turret.

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BTW, I just remembered there's at least one composite Sherman outside the US - in Australia.

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I have a question about the Jumbo at the Ft. Knox. Does anyone know it's display history or where it was before it came there? The reason I ask is during the late 1960's, I remember seeing and my Dad taking pictures of a Jumbo outside the muesum at Ft. Riley Ks. It has been long gone and I wondered if they are the same?


I can find out the basic background on the Ft Knox 'Jumbo' As for the Ft Riley aspect,....No clue.


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I have a question about the Jumbo at the Ft. Knox. Does anyone know it's display history or where it was before it came there? The reason I ask is during the late 1960's, I remember seeing and my Dad taking pictures of a Jumbo outside the muesum at Ft. Riley Ks. It has been long gone and I wondered if they are the same?
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Pierre,

Here's a shot of the flame thrower M4 at the Camp Shelby Museum in Mississippi. You tell me what version She is (Not a Sherman expert).

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It's a M42B1E9. There's one at Ft. Leonard Wood in the Chemical Museum and one in the musuem in Huntsville, AL. I have pics of the Ft. Leonard Wood vehicle when it was at Ft. McClellan: M42B1E9

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Hi Joe! Hi Folks!

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Pierre,

Here's a shot of the flame thrower M4 at the Camp Shelby Museum in Mississippi. You tell me what version She is (Not a Sherman expert).
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It could be a M4A1E9.
It's an A1 due to the casted rounded hull.
It's not a M4 with a composite hull because it has small hatchs. A composite would have large hatchs.
It's an E9 because there are duck bill entenders on both sides of the track block.
Sence it's main gun barrel is a flame thower tube, I am not sure, but it may have different designation from mine.

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Okay, I gotta ask ... what is a King Cobra? Shocked


A nasty tasting malt liquor. Laughing

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That King Cobra should be at Vilseck


Yes as far as I can remember I found several photos of a Sherman tank at Vielseck some months ago, but curiously I can't find any now...

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That King Cobra should be at Vilseck
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Dontos,

I have a funny feeling I'll be seeing Shelby sometime this year. Anything you need me to photo? Let me know. I do have some good shots of the M56 along with more of the flame tank.

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I know there's at least one other - King Cobra - in Germany as well.


Yes, I've seen such a tank exposed as a monument at the gate of an US Army base in Germany, but I can't remember if it is a Jumbo and where it is located..

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- Neil_Baumgardner
Some rare Sherman-based vehicles:

CWS-POA-H5 Sherman flamethrower tank (three)
M4 Sherman composite hull (six)
M4A1E13 Sherman flamethrower tank (two)

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M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbo (five)

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M4A4(75) Sherman with spigot mortars (one)

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hometown.aol.com/biski...spigot.jpg

M12 GMC (one)
M32 TRV (ten)

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M40 GMC (seven)

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M42B1 Sherman flamethrower tank (four)
M43 GMC (four)
M74 TRV (ten)

I wish I could say T6 was "behind the fence" somewhere, but probably not...

I wonder if the US & Canadian "Firefly"s should count... The T14 at Bovington might also count...

Other rare WWII and prior vehicles to consider:

M2 Medium (two)
M3A4 Lee (one)
M7 Medium Tank (one)
M39 AUV (six)

T1E1 Heavy Tank (one)
T1E2 Light Tank (one)
T2 Medium Tank (one)
T3 Christie (one)
T4 Medium Tank (one)
T5 Medium Tank (one)
T23 Medium Tank (three)
T26E4 Pershing (one)
T28 Heavy Tank (one)

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T28:
hometown.aol.com/biski...%20t28.jpg

T29 Heavy Tank (two)

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T29:
hometown.aol.com/biski...0hall).jpg

T29E3:
hometown.aol.com/biski...0t29e3.jpg

T30 Heavy Tank (four)


T34 Heavy Tank ( ? )
hometown.aol.com/biski...%20mp).jpg

T88 HMC (one)

There are probably others I have missed...

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Pierre,

Here's a shot of the flame thrower M4 at the Camp Shelby Museum in Mississippi. You tell me what version She is (Not a Sherman expert).

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Joe D


Joe

Thanks, I lost all my Camp Shelby Photos with my computer crash several years ago. Having spent two 'cycles' there, I had an excellent library of shots, but .....no more. I think some may be 'floating' on the old AFV DG, but No clue how to reclaim any of those.

Met the curator down there, very nice gentlemen who was very helpful with information on some of 'his' vehicles in the collection.

Neil or Doug, got any links to/from back in 2003/2004 on the old site??

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Okay, I gotta ask ... what is a King Cobra? Shocked


I belive he is refering to a Jumbo (M4A3E2) "Cobra King" spearheaded Patton's drive to Bastogne. There is a photo in Concord's publication "Battle of the Bulge" by Steve Zaloga. This is the one that is painted with the slogan "First in Bastongne" on its side.

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