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the_shadock · Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

well, it seems that they are preparing some items to display them in museums..
We need a guy able to translate bulgarian language..

Pierre-Olivier

VonForhud · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 17, 2010 Posts: 162

There is news about the Bulgarian Panzers.

vbox7.com/play:fcbc7d21

Takes ages to load, and its in Bulgarian language.

But surely good news.

fitzday · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 29

If I understand it right, the Bulgarian forums are saying that the T-34/76 turret is actually off of a soviet gunboat and not a T-34 hull. Does anyone know how you can tell the difference?

www.airgroup2000.com/f...&start=540

palic · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 172

Bulgarian Panthers - links:
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/35398
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/35399
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/35400

Czechoslovak (postwar) recovery turretless conversion - links:
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/58181
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/53727
forum.valka.cz/downloa...p/id/28714

Last picture taken from film on railroad accident (1958) - that Panther recovery vehicle was part of equipment of railway "repair and recovery train"... Mr. Green

WHERE HAVE ALL THESE PANTHERS GONE...?

Scott_Taylor · Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

Any photos of those Panthers in postwar Bulgarian service? I'm intrigued by this.

It's great to see these vehicles on the road to preservation. I'd love to see a Panzer IV make its way to Canada, but not optimistic.

Cheers,

Scott

Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

The only German tanks (that I know of) transfered from Soviet capture stocks were the 15 Panther D, A and G:s. I hope that some of these might turn up, damn I'd be happy if ONE would turn up!

the_shadock · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

- fitzday

Correct me if i'm wrong, Shadock. These panzers were transfered to the Bulgarian army after the war by the Soviets from stocks of captured panzers. They were used until they could be replaced by Soviet manufactured tanks. They were then dug in on the Bulgarian/Turkish border as improvised pillboxes.

""Bulgaria received some 97 German Panzer IV tanks, about 100 Sturmgeschuetz III assault guns and Jagdpanzer IV tank destroyers when it joined the Nazis in World War II," said museum director Milenov.

Nearly half of these, around 40, were buried as defensive positions along the southeast borders, he said.

A second line of more than 100 Soviet-built T-34 tanks was then added following the 1974 Cyprus crisis. This was when an Athens-sponsored attempt to take control of the Mediterranean island led to Turkish intervention and occupation of about one-third of Cyprus."

http://news.smh.com.au/bulgaria-scrambles-to-rescue-forgotten-german-wwii-tanks/20080222-1ts6.html

Well, you're right there are 17 tanks, the turret which cazn be seen near the JAgdpanzer IV seems to be a T-34/76 turret, not a T-34/85 one.

P-O

the_shadock · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

- A2_Prius

What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?

Well, some serial numbers/identification plates and markings were found inside the tank and photographed by "Valko-BG".
Check thids page and you'll see what I mean. There are several other photos with plates and SNs on this particular thread..

http://www.scalemodels-bg.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=136&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=345&sid=fa79b6c7ead40f56f25e3919f739145f

From these plates you should find a unit.. this was done with the 3 Panzer IIIs from Bardufoss.

P-O

fitzday · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 29

Correct me if i'm wrong, Shadock. These panzers were transfered to the Bulgarian army after the war by the Soviets from stocks of captured panzers. They were used until they could be replaced by Soviet manufactured tanks. They were then dug in on the Bulgarian/Turkish border as improvised pillboxes.

A2_Prius · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 112

What a lineup! Makes me wonder whether a panzer kompanie simply abandoned its vehicles during a retreat. Is there any chance of unit identification being found on the hulks?

- the_shadock

(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"

I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

P-O

fitzday · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 29

I counted 17 when i zoomed in in paintshop. You can just barely see the top of one behind the roof at the top of the storage lot. I believe thats also a t34 turret behind the jagdpanzer IV. Got to wonder how many more are hidden from view.

the_shadock · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

On this picture I count 16 different vehicles, including most probably the 7 Panzer IV seen in a field.. maybe the biggest Panzer gathering since a while!!

P-O

the_shadock · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

for these who haven't seen, the 2 rough lists with links I made in this topic were updated. Now I count at least 20 different Panzer IV + 2 possible turrets and 7 different StuG. Everyday, new pictures of tanks from the Bulgarian defense line are posted on a bulgarian forum, and everyday new tanks show up. That's really incredible !!

I think that we'll never see such a photo with 7 Panzer IV side by side !! (unless all the tanks are gathered if they are put for sale, which would most likely make the biggest German WW2 tanks gathering since years !!)

P-O

fitzday · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Apr 04, 2007 Posts: 29

Definately more than any of the previous pictures in the other forums would lead you to believe. OUTSTANDING!! Now can we just hope for the odd panther or two to turn up.

the_shadock · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Panzer salvage in Bulgaria

(Going to a Bulgarian supermarket and asking to a seller)

"Well, I would like to get a dozen of Panzer IV, please"

I think it is useless now to do a precise list.. there are too many of them !!!

P-O

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