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Dontos · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Jeff

The photo was taken of me sitting patiently awaiting the bulldozers to arrive and dig my tanks fighting position for the upcoming live fire defense.

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:21 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Man, you were clear up in Northern Corridor! Thats "Drinkwater Lake" (dry) off to the right. The "Hot Dog" would have been the hill mas in the rear of the photo. beyond that about 4.25 clicks would be the boundry of the post. You must have gotton to this spot by either going through "Engineer Gap" or "FSS Gap" from central corridor, or you came from "Andy's Gap"/"Refridgerator Gap" from the East, via the "Flag Pole" location. Any of these ringing bells in anyones heads?! Once you crossed into Northern corridor, esspecially in the winter, the weather was automatically 20 degree's colder, ( or hotter in the summer time, you were that much closer to the actual Mojave Desert).
I take it you were up there either hiding/running from OPFOR, hoping to out flank the OPFOR, or were resting between battles out of sight awaiting the next days battle, haha. Got anymore photos of NTC? I like this little "guess where I am" quiz. Kinda like "Find Waldo" for the NTC vets. Take care.

Dontos · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

- Dontos

Don

Location is Orange dot, Camera angle is red arrow.

Don

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Don,
The "Chilly Bowl" was on the south / east area of the training area, EG57000300. The "Red Ball Express" road ran right by it and on the other side of the RBE was "Porta-Potty Wadi" The RBE ran north/east towards the "Flagpole" after crossing through "1SG Wash".

Maple_Leaf_Eh · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 517

- Tanklord

I went with the LAARNG to Fort Irwin in the summer of 87. We were a roundout brigade for 5th ID. Boy did we stink up the joint. When I get back home, I will dig out the photos.

At least you admited playing in your usual sandbox and training areas didn't prepare you for the simulated battle conditions of NTC. Being a train wreck in peacetime is considered lucky; doing that in battle is unacceptible.

A friend of mine is a professional rowing coach. In the '90's he was coaching the Canadian women's developmental team that produced some of our most successful Olympic rowers. His view on winning was simple. Anyone can win at home. To become a champion you have to go on the road.

Dontos · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Would it be the "Chilly Bowl" area?

Not familiar with that name....

Don

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Would it be the "Chilly Bowl" area?

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

This isn't a very good picture for trying to guess where I'm at so I'll tell you. It was taken early October 2002. I was actually looking at Hill 800, the "Amplitheater", "Peanut", and Hill 876 from the southern edge of the central corridor. We were in the grid EG45500970 area. It's about 1 click west of the southern tip of the "Road to Nowhere", over looking the "Killing Fields". I'd been with the OPFOR, (Mortar Platoon, HHD,1/11th ACR) about 3 months when this photo was taken by my platoon leader. He was running all over snapping pictures instead of observing the battle field. I actually had to ask him to calm down and be still before he gave away our position.

Dontos · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

- SFC_Jeff_Button

OK, here's my guess, the setting sun is in your face so the background would be looking way out towards the "Flag Pole". I'm guessing that the hill mass coming from the left would be along the northern edge of central corridor. The part jutting out into the plain would be "The California".
"K-Bar Cut would be this side of "The California" while the "Passage To India" would be on the far side. These two passes would lead into "Bravo Pass" which leads to the northern corridor.
The open area that you are in might be within a few clicks of the "falg Pole and "Race Track"? That was an area dug into frequently by Engineer units for tank positions and barriers. The faint mountains in the backgground were my only real clues as to your position, but I might be wrong.

....ALMOST.... but.....WRONG !!... Mr. Green

Hint: NOT Central corridor !!

Mr. Green

Don

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

OK, here's my guess, the setting sun is in your face so the background would be looking way out towards the "Flag Pole". I'm guessing that the hill mass coming from the left would be along the northern edge of central corridor. The part jutting out into the plain would be "The California".
"K-Bar Cut would be this side of "The California" while the "Passage To India" would be on the far side. These two passes would lead into "Bravo Pass" which leads to the northern corridor.
The open area that you are in might be within a few clicks of the "falg Pole and "Race Track"? That was an area dug into frequently by Engineer units for tank positions and barriers. The faint mountains in the backgground were my only real clues as to your position, but I might be wrong.

Dontos · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Jeff (& anyone else who wants to take a stab at it...)

NTC 1990 (obviously)

Any idea where? I'll dig up the grid if that will help... Cool

Don

Dontos · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Dontos,
After looking at my Ft Irwin map, and it being determined that you are on "Hill 800", then that would be "114 Wadi" in the upper right of the photo, with the "Iron Triangle" just out of view at the right edge. In the middle background would be "Granite Pass". Leading off to the west,(left in the picture) from Granite Pass would be the "Sawtooth" ridge. The open area where the red lettering M113A2 is written, would be "Hamby's Grave". Hill 800 sat at grid EG41251385. The "Whale Gap" sat south of Tiefort Mtn, just south of the "Valley of Death". I believe I have been on that exact spot more than once in my 4 years as OPFOR.

This is oriented North West (towards Granite Pass) The western side of the 'Central Corridor'....and your landmark IDs are dead on. Couldn't find my old NTC map, otherwise I would have posted the Grid coordinate

Don

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

AAAAAAHHHH yes!!!!, the infamous "spider hole droppings" I had heard of and then later found! I did 6 rotations there myself between 1994-1996 and 1998-2001, before being OPFOR from 2002-2006. I actually found C-rations on a hill-top in 2003. The cans were all rusty but were still perfectly set upright and an old plastic yellow spoon was still sitting upright in one of the cans. I have those C-ration cans sitting on display in my garage right now as part of my little display of military memoribilia.
I did do one rotation as an OPFOR augmentee back in 1986 or 87. I was part of B Co. 1/166th Inf, 73rd BDE, Ohio National Guard at the time. We wore the old OD Green OPFOR uniforms at the time.
I can honestly say we kicked alot of Blufor behind EVERY rotation. Ahhhh the memories. How I miss the Infantry / Armor world and hate the Transportation world, (Emphasis on "hate").
Take care Dontos, I always look forward to your pictures and postings.

Dontos · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

- SFC_Jeff_Button

Dontos,
After looking at my Ft Irwin map, and it being determined that you are on "Hill 800", then that would be "114 Wadi" in the upper right of the photo, with the "Iron Triangle" just out of view at the right edge. In the middle background would be "Granite Pass". Leading off to the west,(left in the picture) from Granite Pass would be the "Sawtooth" ridge. The open area where the red lettering M113A2 is written, would be "Hamby's Grave". Hill 800 sat at grid EG41251385. The "Whale Gap" sat south of Tiefort Mtn, just south of the "Valley of Death". I believe I have been on that exact spot more than once in my 4 years as OPFOR.

Actually I was looking for an opfor 'DRT' Team 'Spider hole'. Whenever 'nature called', I sought out such locations to leave a 'rememberance' to the cursed 'enemy'. Shocked

A favorite 'past-time' of mine whenever at NTC. Razz

Regards....
1986 rotation ( Alpha-9-Alpha)
1990 rotation ( White-One Golf )
1993 rotation ( Red-three Golf )
1998 rotation ( Charger Zero-Three November )
1999 rotation ( Blue-Four )

Don

SFC_Jeff_Button · Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: A little quiz....

Dontos,
After looking at my Ft Irwin map, and it being determined that you are on "Hill 800", then that would be "114 Wadi" in the upper right of the photo, with the "Iron Triangle" just out of view at the right edge. In the middle background would be "Granite Pass". Leading off to the west,(left in the picture) from Granite Pass would be the "Sawtooth" ridge. The open area where the red lettering M113A2 is written, would be "Hamby's Grave". Hill 800 sat at grid EG41251385. The "Whale Gap" sat south of Tiefort Mtn, just south of the "Valley of Death". I believe I have been on that exact spot more than once in my 4 years as OPFOR.

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