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Massimo_Foti · Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

I forgot to add an M3 half track outdoor Rolling Eyes

Massimo

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

So the mistery remains about the Flick collection Wink

Concerning the art collection, it is going an little of topic
However it is the only collection that can actually be found in combination with the Flick family

It is one of the biggest privately owned collections in the world, big part of it is on loan in an Berlin Museum

Let get back to the original topic: German AFV register Cool

Michel

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Here you can see two selections:

www.com-central.net/in...7745#87745

www.com-central.net/in...7743#87743

Massimo

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

The Jagdpanther is hidden in the middle of the diorama. Things are much better for the Sherman Dozer. I'll post what I have soon.

Massimo

the_shadock · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- Massimo_Foti

Here is a list of AFV stored indoor:

M4A1 (75) Dozer "Valmy" (no blade)
PzJg V Jagdpanther

I have pics of all of them. I will post a few in the following days/weeks. Feel free to ask if you are looking for anything special

Massimo

Massimo,

the pictures I have of the Sherman M4A1(75) Dozer "Valmy" and of the Jagdpanther are not very good. Do you have better photos of them?

For the Sherman dozer, I had some light problems, because it was displayed in a part of the museum that is not very well lightened.
For the Jagdpanther, you did see that it can't be easily approached, and the pictures I have are blurred, because of the distance..

thanks

Pierre-Olivier

the_shadock · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- Michel_Krauss

- private collection, not open for public
- in the collection an Panther ausf A (confirmed in 2004)
- there is an large private collection of modern art

- private collection, not open for public that's confirmed. I would also add that it is open to very very few people..
- in the collection an Panther ausf A (confirmed in 2004) that was confirmed in 2009 by a guy who personally knows Herr Flick (that means that the tank was still owned by Herr Flick in 2009). He did take a few photos of the tank, but I'm not allowed to show them to you. The owner don't want them to be publicly released.
- there is an large private collection of modern art Mr. Green

don't know anything about this fact

Pierre-Olivier

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Because we are discussing Panther tanks now Wink

Who has any information about the Flick military vehicle collection in Germany

There is an lot of different info about everything from this collection
Ranging from biggest private AFV collection in the world to just an single Panther ausf A tank

To only thing that will be right, sofar:
- private collection, not open for public
- in the collection an Panther ausf A (confirmed in 2004)
- there is an large private collection of modern art Mr. Green

Everything else, urban legend Confused

I found different stuff on forum's about this collections stating that there would be:
Pz III, Pz IV, Panther A (from an British scrapyard), Panther G (with steel road wheels on last wheel station), Sherman tank, every type of German WW2 AFV represented, etc

Who know's more Confused

Michel

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Here is a list of AFV stored indoor:

Chennilette Renault UE
LTL-H (aka Pz 39). Disguised as Pz 38(t)
G-13 (two tanks, both with gasoline engine. One without muzzlebrake)
M4A1 (76) Sherman
M4A1 (75) Dozer "Valmy" (no blade)
M29 Weasel (two vehicles, one with american the oher with soviet insigna)
M41
Ferret (two vehicles)
Universal Carrier
Hummel
Mobelwagen
PzJg 38(t) Marder III Ausf H
PzJg V Jagdpanther
PzKpfw III Ausf N
PzKpfw IV ausf. J
PzKpfw V Panther A
PzKpfw V Panther A wreck
StuG III
StuH III
T-34/85

I have pics of all of them. I will post a few in the following days/weeks. Feel free to ask if you are looking for anything special

Massimo

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

yes I was there in February 2007.. and not in April 2008

So you've got no snow in February and I've got plenty instead... That's not fair Crying or Very sad

Massimo

the_shadock · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

- Massimo_Foti

I took these pictures in April 2008, once the snow was completely away

Looking at the Panther's PDF looks like you were there in February 2007 as well. So I guess you met some snow too, right?

Massimo

yes I was there in February 2007.. and not in April 2008. I'm probably mixing this visit up with another one, somewhere else..

sorry

P-O

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

I took these pictures in April 2008, once the snow was completely away

Looking at the Panther's PDF looks like you were there in February 2007 as well. So I guess you met some snow too, right?

Massimo

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

These are my personal Sinsheim outdoor pics :

news.webshots.com/albu...t?start=48

I took these pictures in April 2008, once the snow was completely away

Thanks for the link, however I think I will wait untill you switched it to Flickr Twisted Evil

Saves my from creating the links twice Wink

Michel

the_shadock · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

These are my personal Sinsheim outdoor pics :

http://news.webshots.com/album/557416413xGpCqt?start=48

I took these pictures in April 2008, once the snow was completely away Mr. Green

.

P-O

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

A kind of mortar carrier. Maybe on Marder APC chassis?
Geschutzter Sonderwagen

Hi Massimo,

I think to know what vehicle that maybe
The mortar carrier is most likely an Schutzenpanzer (lang) HS 30 Panzermorser
An self propelled mortar version of the German APC HS 30
Initially fitted with an 81 mm mortar and later with a 120mm mortar
You should know it, it is an Swiss Hispano-Suiza (in short HS) design Mr. Green

The "Geschutzter Sonderwagen" is an vehicle of the German Bundesgrenzschutz (literly State Border protection), original an kind of border police force
The vehicle was used for "hard-core" riot's and for road blocks, this police force in now part of the German federal police force

In 1951 they where created to patrol the German borders and they formed the base for the German army and navy
I don't think you could compare this police force with something else in the world

Besides acting as border patrol and federal police
They are there to protect German national interrest around the globe
Protection of German embassies, the national airline Lufthansa, sea ports, act as military police, emergency services, etc Shocked

They could even operate under the UN, European Union or similar

And this is very special, because for the German army they had to change to nation's laws in 1990, before they could be send abroad for NATO

ps: cann't wait to see some picture's

Michel

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Germany AFV Registers

Some update from Sinsheim, since I was there during the weekend.
Below is a list of *outdoor* AFVs, the ones indoor will follow soon, but they are mostly well-know.
There are some changes compared to Neil's initial list, but not that many:

M4 turret
M47 turret
M48 turret
Schutzenpanzer SPz 11-2
M24
Leopard 1A1A2
M47
M74 (two vehicles)
M47 (with "T" muzzle brake)
HS 30 Spz Lang
M32
Centurion (ex-swiss)
Pansarbandvagn 301
M59
M4A3 Sherman Firefly
M26 wreck
M47 (with straight muzzle brake)
M26A1
M48
Marder APC
M3A3
M40
EBR Panhard
T-72
BMP-1
T-34/85 (two tanks, another is indoor)
Leopard 1 (three tanks)
Pz 61
T-55
A kind of mortar carrier. Maybe on Marder APC chassis?
Geschutzter Sonderwagen
M48
M7 Priest
M3 Scout Car
BTR-60
Repro of Wespe on Hotchkiss chassis
BTR-152
M42 Duster
SU-100

I have pics, but they mostly show snow Crying or Very sad

For indoor vehicles instead I've managed to take plenty of pictures. I will start posting stuff soon.

Massimo

PS Note to self, next time wait until the snow melt down before travelling to Germany Rolling Eyes

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