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Yep,

M48A2 converted from US supplied kits. Although to be 100% sure she was an A2, you need to see the idler mounting lug on the hull. She still could be an A1 convert where they removed the 2nd and 4th support roller (can't tell from the picture).

M48 and M48A1 idler mount (This is from an A1)
M48A2,%20notice%20how%20much%20further%20the%20mount%20extends%20from%20the%20hull%20and%20the%20off%20set%20adjusting%20link%20mount.%20This%20was%20done%20to%20correct%20a%20weakness%20discovered%20during%20testing%20and%20was%20applied%20to%20the%20A2%20hull%20castings. [img]http://com-central.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10605/normal_m48a2%7E0.jpg[/img] M48A3,%20which%20were%20made%20by%20converting%20old%20M48A1's.%20An%20adapter%20lug%20was%20welded%20to%20the%20hull%20during%20the%20conversion.%20Also%20found%20on%20A5's,%20since%20they%20were%20made%20by%20converting%20A1's%20and%20A3's. [img]http://com-central.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10605/normal_m48a3%7E0.jpg[/img] M48A5.

This lug was also used on the M103 series when upgraded to A1/A2 standard, since She also suffered from the same design defect as the early M48's.

Hope this helps

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Its an M48A5T2... ex-turkish army.

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Hi folks,

got some picture's to show of the M48
If you have figured it out, let me know

There are no plates on the tank, so I can not tell you what is the country of origin



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Got to see more pictures of her to tell


I can help out with that part

Will upload some picture's of the tank

Concerning the version of the M48, I don't know if this is correct

Some of the forum experts told me that it was an M48A5 version,
because of some thingy some where.... Confused

That was before the "BIG BLACK-OUT"

I was not even sure if it was an M48...

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IAW the TM all the SN's for M48A5's start with an "A".

New numbers assigned when converted from A1's and A3's. That number doesn't look right either. Normally they are stamped top to bottom of the lug, not across or that high. I'm wondering if this one started off as an A2 with the German Army and was converted to A5 standards by them. A good indicator would be the front hull mount for the compensating idlers. If she didn't have the adapter mount welded on when upgraded to A5 then she started life as an A2 and most likely was from Germany. Got to see more pictures of her to tell.

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- Joe_D
I also found an 4-digit number on the left front tow hook of the M48A5
Is this correct, or should there be some more digits?


If you mean left front as if you are seated in the drivers position, yes that should be it. Sometimes they will end with a "C" when stamped on the back deck and hull, but not always.


But Joe, dont normally A5s have an SN that starts with an A followed by a 4-digit number?

M48A5 SNs I have so far:

SN A3008 Armed Forces Retirement Home – Washington, DC
SN A3055 DAV Chapter 76, Hanceville, AL
SN A3177 American Armored Foundation (AAF) Tank Museum, Danville, VA
SN A3473 Museum Storage Lot, Fort Campbell, KY
SN A10617 War Memorial Park, Linton, ND
SN A10848 VFW Post 7377, Cresson, PA (Unconfirmed)
SN A10927 Richardson Motor Pool Patton Museum Annex, Fort Knox, KY

SN A1B072 (AVLB) 58th Engineer Battalion HQ, Fort Irwin, CA

But I also have the following for M48A5s:

SN 2872 Veterans' Memorial Park, Ooltewah, TN
SN 3016 American Legion Post 162, Luzerne, MI (Unconfirmed)
SN 4494 (M48A5E1 Patton) Richardson Motor Pool Patton Museum Annex, Fort Knox, KY
SN 5934 (M48A5 hull with M60A2 turret) VFW Post 1181, Valley Station, KY
SN 10960 Arcadia Memorial Park, Arcadia, WI

Similar to M60A3s, do the SNs without an A signify "new build" (as opposed to upgraded) A5s?

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Thanks Michel!
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Hi Joe,

serial number is 2128



This M48A5 has been "converted" to instruction model
Meaning that big pieces of turret and hull armour have been cut away to give an view of the inside

It was already like that when the vehicle it was bought

Because it is quite difficult to export military armed and armored vehicle from the US to Europe (US laws) this tank most likely belonged to an European country

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Yes,

I can add it to my data base, thanks.

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I also found an 4-digit number on the left front tow hook of the M48A5
Is this correct, or should there be some more digits?

If you mean left front as if you are seated in the drivers position, yes that should be it.


that is the one

Would you like to have it?

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I also found an 4-digit number on the left front tow hook of the M48A5
Is this correct, or should there be some more digits?


If you mean left front as if you are seated in the drivers position, yes that should be it. Sometimes they will end with a "C" when stamped on the back deck and hull, but not always.

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Humber Light Reconnaissance Cars and Scout Cars

Daimler Mk I and Mk II armoured cars

new PDF files for today.

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Hi folks,

I have some update's for the following vehicle's at the Army Cars museum Zwijndrecht

- Jagdpanzer Kanone JPz4-2 serial number on hull 2077 23114-467
- Jagdpanzer Rakete Jaguar 2 serial number on hull 1339 23114-682

For the ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka SP AA gun there I have this line of numbers
Which is the correct one Confused Confused



I also found an 4-digit number on the left front tow hook of the M48A5
Is this correct, or should there be some more digits?

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British rare WW2 armoured cars : Beaverette Armoured Car, Morris Reconnaissance Car, Guy Armoured Car, Coventry Armoured car, AEC Armoured car, Armoured Carrier Wheeled India Pattern

Australian WW2 armoured cars : Australian Dingo Scout Car, Rover Light Armoured Car, LP 4 (Local Pattern) Armoured Car

new PDF files for today

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New PDF file :

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_French_Tank_Turrets.pdf

French WW1 and WW2 tank turrets (which mostly served as MG positions on Tobruks or bunkers).

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