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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:20 pm
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interesting diorama at saumur "click on photo"

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Hi Dennis! Hi Folks!

Dioramas seams to be the way museums are setting up displays now days. The one here at Ft. Bliss has started doing some of it's displays that way.

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I don't like 'em. I like being able to get up close and look at a detail. At the same time they do perform several roles. They give a representation of how the artifact was used and they keep visitors from touching or climbing on the exhibits!

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I don't like 'em. I like being able to get up close and look at a detail. At the same time they do perform several roles. They give a representation of how the artifact was used and they keep visitors from touching or climbing on the exhibits!


I agree! WE should start a 'Scrap Dioramas' campaign Wink

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I just went through this process with the museum here, the sad fact is that we who like to do simple "walk arounds" are in the minority, and the "stuff in a box" museum cannot attract enough folks to keep the lights on any more, the diorama is not much better, you have to tell a story or a theme to keep Joe six pack spending his money....
We are working on an aviation museum, and the museum consultants ideal end state is an aviation museum with no airplanes in it.... The sad thing is, their argument is logical.... One building for the masses, and a smaller building with "dead stuff in a box" for the techno geeks.....
It's a lot of work and planning if you hope to stay open in this day and age.
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I just went through this process with the museum here, the sad fact is that we who like to do simple "walk arounds" are in the minority,


You raise an excellent point. I find that I am a mix of both. I love to get 'up close & personal'. To 'touch, feel, smell', I gain a more personal understanding. However, a well designed & constructed diorama helps me 'experience' the displayed item as if 'I were there'.

and the "stuff in a box" museum cannot attract enough folks to keep the lights on any more, the diorama is not much better, you have to tell a story or a theme to keep Joe six pack spending his money....


Financial survival can only come if the 'gate numbers' can be maintained and increased. If you can't appeal to 'the masses' you will not survive, AND fail at the goal of the museum, to preserve the 'story' of the past for future generations.

We are working on an aviation museum, and the museum consultants ideal end state is an aviation museum with no airplanes in it.... The sad thing is, their argument is logical.... One building for the masses, and a smaller building with "dead stuff in a box" for the techno geeks.....
It's a lot of work and planning if you hope to stay open in this day and age.
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.....If you only knew.... ( )

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I have just an awful feeling about the sinister implications of that...
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.....If you only knew.... ( )

Don


I have just an awful feeling about the sinister implications of that...


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I just went through this process with the museum here, the sad fact is that we who like to do simple "walk arounds" are in the minority, and the "stuff in a box" museum cannot attract enough folks to keep the lights on any more, the diorama is not much better, you have to tell a story or a theme to keep Joe six pack spending his money....
We are working on an aviation museum, and the museum consultants ideal end state is an aviation museum with no airplanes in it.... The sad thing is, their argument is logical.... One building for the masses, and a smaller building with "dead stuff in a box" for the techno geeks.....
It's a lot of work and planning if you hope to stay open in this day and age.


Of course this all begs the question of what the purpose of a museum is. Is the primary purpose to provide an entertainment experience for the public or to preserve the historical artifacts for future generations?

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I just went through this process with the museum here, the sad fact is that we who like to do simple "walk arounds" are in the minority, and the "stuff in a box" museum cannot attract enough folks to keep the lights on any more, the diorama is not much better, you have to tell a story or a theme to keep Joe six pack spending his money....
We are working on an aviation museum, and the museum consultants ideal end state is an aviation museum with no airplanes in it.... The sad thing is, their argument is logical.... One building for the masses, and a smaller building with "dead stuff in a box" for the techno geeks.....
It's a lot of work and planning if you hope to stay open in this day and age.


Of course this all begs the question of what the purpose of a museum is. Is the primary purpose to provide an entertainment experience for the public or to preserve the historical artifacts for future generations?


These days...??? Survival is the key. Sooooo...BOTH!!!!

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To make a museum to work economically, you have to be able link the artifacts with a compelling human story. You can make a very historic vehicle like the “Cobra King� (the 4AD 37TB M4A3E2 Assualt Tank - claimed to be first tank to breakthrough to Bastogne) the center piece of a Battle of Bulge exhibit, but if you can't tell the story of Lt. Charles P. Bogges and his crew, "Cobra King" will just be just another Sherman tank to many people or at worst a gun and 38 tons of steel. You have to help people create an emotional/human link with artifact for them to value it.
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To make a museum to work economically, you have to be able link the artifacts with a compelling human story. You can make a very historic vehicle like the “Cobra King� (the 4AD 37TB M4A3E2 Assualt Tank - claimed to be first tank to breakthrough to Bastogne) the center piece of a Battle of Bulge exhibit, but if you can't tell the story of Lt. Charles P. Bogges and his crew, "Cobra King" will just be just another Sherman tank to many people or at worst a gun and 38 tons of steel. You have to help people create an emotional/human link with artifact for them to value it.


I agree - and another thing with dioramas is that you have to let people walk all around them to appreciate them - stuffing them in a corner or up against the wall really does not work very well. You need decent space for dioramas and most museums do not have it (bovvy springs to mind).

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The sad fact is that you cannot do a very good job of preserving your artifacts if you go under.......
If all you try and do is tell the story of the tank or the plane, you will fail, and you do not do the men who operated them justice, the story of the people is much more important, that is the story that brings in the people.

Don, I have spoke with some of "your guys" and have seen the new Patton museum concept, I like and dislike it at the same time, but you all did your homework and I look forward to seeing the end product...

I can't wait until our museum is at the point that Knox is at, we are still in the dark part of the tunnel.
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Don, I have spoke with some of "your guys" and have seen the new Patton museum concept, I like and dislike it at the same time, but you all did your homework and I look forward to seeing the end product...


I sometimes get the impression that as far as Aberdeen and its future plans are concerned a good description would be 'a road paved with dreams'

Letting everyone in on the plans would help their PR image tremendously rather than having a couple of volunteers hanging around talking in code about whatever they know or don't know....

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