±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 590
Total: 590
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: CPGlang
02: Member Screenshots
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Downloads
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Downloads
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Photo Gallery
26: Community Forums
27: Your Account
28: Community Forums
29: Photo Gallery
30: Photo Gallery
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Statistics
38: Community Forums
39: Downloads
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Statistics
60: Community Forums
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: CPGlang
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Your Account
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Downloads
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: CPGlang
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Photo Gallery
105: Home
106: Photo Gallery
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Member Screenshots
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Your Account
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Home
133: Statistics
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Your Account
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: CPGlang
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Home
174: Member Screenshots
175: Search
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Downloads
189: Photo Gallery
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Downloads
221: Your Account
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Downloads
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Photo Gallery
234: Member Screenshots
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Downloads
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Home
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Photo Gallery
255: Downloads
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Your Account
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Member Screenshots
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Statistics
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Downloads
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Home
301: Downloads
302: Photo Gallery
303: Search
304: CPGlang
305: Photo Gallery
306: Your Account
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: CPGlang
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Home
316: Community Forums
317: Home
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Downloads
321: Photo Gallery
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Home
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Statistics
349: Community Forums
350: Statistics
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Downloads
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Your Account
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Member Screenshots
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Your Account
375: Statistics
376: Photo Gallery
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Photo Gallery
383: Community Forums
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Home
396: Statistics
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Home
405: Downloads
406: Photo Gallery
407: Community Forums
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Home
414: Photo Gallery
415: Photo Gallery
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Statistics
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Photo Gallery
424: Photo Gallery
425: Photo Gallery
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Home
436: Photo Gallery
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Downloads
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Home
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: CPGlang
455: CPGlang
456: Community Forums
457: Downloads
458: Community Forums
459: Your Account
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Photo Gallery
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Downloads
471: Photo Gallery
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Community Forums
477: CPGlang
478: Home
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Your Account
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Photo Gallery
489: Photo Gallery
490: Downloads
491: Your Account
492: Community Forums
493: Member Screenshots
494: Home
495: Community Forums
496: Downloads
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Home
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Home
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Photo Gallery
511: Photo Gallery
512: Photo Gallery
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Your Account
519: Photo Gallery
520: CPGlang
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Member Screenshots
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Photo Gallery
527: Downloads
528: Photo Gallery
529: Your Account
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Photo Gallery
534: Community Forums
535: Member Screenshots
536: Member Screenshots
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Downloads
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: News
558: Your Account
559: Home
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Statistics
563: Community Forums
564: Home
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Downloads
570: Photo Gallery
571: Your Account
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Your Account
575: CPGlang
576: Community Forums
577: Photo Gallery
578: Home
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Statistics
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Jim:

Now looking at the attached images you can see they are different tanks to the one at the museum but more about that particular tank later.

To Be Continued...

Waiting with bait on my breath.
Back to top
View user's profile
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Theres nothing I like more than a good T55 debate.
By doing this we will unlock the mysteries.
TTFN
Tim
All photos on this post copyright of Jan Taljaard, thankyou Jan!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

some more
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Hi Jim
You forgot to credit the text you quoted to this website
www.rhodesia.nl/quartz.htm
And you missed out a nice photo
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

whats that supposed to mean Doug?
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

...watching with great interest as this snappy reparteé develops, nuthin' personal whatsoever. Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Yes us British folk do appear to be having a difference of opinion here!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Carry on then...some of we bystanders stand to learn something about T-5X's from all this....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Esa_Muikku
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 26
Location: Tampere, Finland
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

1) All T-54s originally had a hull MG. The location can be seen in this picture taken of a cut-away T-54 Model 1951 at Parola Armour Museum in Finland:
www.ipmsfinland.org/ga...at/025.JPG . (BTW, those legs belong to me! Shocked )

During rebuilding and upgrade to T-54A or T-54B some had it removed and the hole blanked off, like this one:
www.thetankmaster.com/...54B_17.jpg
…and some not, like these ones:
img202.imageshack.us/m...3642wj.jpg
img485.imageshack.us/m...1423hv.jpg
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-54_41.jpg

2) 99 % of all the T-54 hulls can be distinguished by the interlocked upper and lower bow plates! See e.g.
tanksinmoscow.com/CMSA...-54_02.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...T54_18.JPG
which are very old non-modernized tanks with only one headlight and these younger ones with the headlight and infrared headlight for driver’s IR periscope TVN-2:
www.thetankmaster.com/...t-54_1.JPG
www.thetankmaster.com/...54_025.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...-54-07.JPG
www.militaryimages.net...48/si/T-55
photoka.info/t54/image...t54_38.htm
ipmslondon.tripod.com/.../id22.html
tanksinmoscow.ru/Kreks...-55_14.jpg
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-54_02.jpg
tanxheaven.com/den/T-5...949/02.JPG
tanxheaven.com/ludob/t...CT0619.JPG
tanxheaven.com/mc/t55-...FLW054.jpg
They all are T-54s although the caption or file name might say something else!!!

These are one of the few deviations:
www.boltonipms.co.uk/i...t54-09.jpg
www.thetankmaster.com/...T54_12.jpg

3) The upper and lower bow plates are not anymore interlocked in T-55 thus resulting in a straight weld seam. See e.g.
data.primeportal.net/t...3_of_3.JPG .
Notice, that if you have a straight weld seam, you then have to know and see other features of T-54 (fuel cap locations, hull rear plate joints, final drive housings etc.) to make a proof identification!

4) All Finnish T-55 tanks, built in the Soviet Union between1965-1972, have a hull MG! See e.g. the lower pic on page 103 in the book “The Finnish Armoured Vehicles 1918-1997� published by Apali Oy ( www.apali.fi ) or this photo:
www.ipmsfinland.org/ga...at/063.JPG
…or these photos of other Soviet-built T-55 tanks:
img217.imageshack.us/m...n020oo.jpg
data.primeportal.net/a...5%2001.jpg
www.militaryimages.net...05/si/T-55
photoka.info/t55/image.../t55_5.htm
tanksinmoscow.ru/T-34/...-55_05.jpg
tanxheaven.com/ludob/t...CT0649.JPG

5) The hull MG was deleted from the Soviet production tanks in early 1970s and also from licence production tanks from Poland or Czechoslovakia. These are Soviet tanks without hull MG:
tanksinmoscow.com/Pokl...-55_03.jpg
tanxheaven.com/jg/T55B...140048.JPG
tanxheaven.com/t55ng/DSC00091.JPG

These ones are rare examples of licence built T-55A tanks still having a hull MG:
www.thetankmaster.com/...T55_13.jpg
tanxheaven.com/t55/CNV00005.JPG

Bonus : This tank ( tanxheaven.com/zbc/t55...t55zbc.htm ) has started its life as a T-54 but has been rebuilt in Poland to be a T-55. It requires a lot of work!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Thanks for posting links and not hot-linking all those images Esa...I don't think my mouse, or fingers, could stand scrolling all those!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

Great info! So that museum tank is one of the same batch that went to Rhodesia. Interesting stuff. What camo pattern is that? Fictional? It doesn't match the Libyan camo on the Rhodie T-55.
Back to top
View user's profile
timroberts
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 71
Location: shrewsbury UK
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:22 am
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

" See e.g. the lower pic on page 103 in the book “The Finnish Armoured Vehicles 1918-1997� published by Apali Oy ( www.apali.fi )"

Esa is being very modest here, he co wrote this great book!

Thanks for the links Esa, and for the as always helpful information you provide.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:37 am
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

- Hellfish6
Great info! So that museum tank is one of the same batch that went to Rhodesia. Interesting stuff. What camo pattern is that? Fictional? It doesn't match the Libyan camo on the Rhodie T-55.


No as far as I can figure out it was applied whereever that particular tank went to be rebuilt... still trying to track the location & time period when this was done but I have two conflicting sources - one says it was around 1988 and was sent to a foreign company possibly south america? & the other says it was 1993-4 after the museum acquired it and it was borrowed by a local company to see if it was feasible to setup an upgrade production line and as it has an OMC Engineering badge on one of the mudguards that is probably the answer!

To be Continued...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Polish T-55L Tanks in an interesting camou scheme

- timroberts
Hi Jim
You forgot to credit the text you quoted to this website
www.rhodesia.nl/quartz.htm
And you missed out a nice photo


Nah - I didn't know about the site. I merely used some stuff that was sent to me by an ex-Rhodesian Army contact...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 5
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum