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Interesting Images from the Archives
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:44 am
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I've been doing some digging thru the National Archives online and have been finding some interesting AFV related items.

I figured some of y'all might be interested:


A 1919 photo of LTC Eisenhower:
President%20Truman%20with%20the%20T41%20(prototype%20M41): A%20decoy%20M41%20?: A%201941%20'lend-lease'%20tank%20being%20processed%20upon%20arrival%20in%20England.: An%20poster%20that%20made%20me%20laugh:

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A 1941 'lend-lease' tank being processed upon arrival in England.:
That's%20a%20pretty%20rare%20picture,%20since%20I%20thought%20we%20never%20used%20the%20M2,%20so%20I%20looked%20it%20up%20in%20Chamberlain%20&%20Ellis: \"A%20small%20batch%20of%20M2A4s%20were%20delivered%20to%20the%20British%20in%201941,%20but%20these%20were%20used%20only%20for%20training,%20vehicles%20of%20the%20M3%20light%20tank%20series%20being%20issued%20to%20combat%20battalions.\"
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President%20Truman%20with%20the%20T41%20(prototype%20M41):


Would that be the exact same vehicle as at APG? If so, I'd love to add it's photo to the existing entry:

Unique ID 714: APG T41
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Trevor

No clue if it is the same, but you are right.

Having early photos of an actual existing vehicle with a VIP does add a neat footnote to that vehicles history.

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Any idea what the box welded to front glacis is? Three welds are visible on the near side. Camera, maybe?

Any signs of the ground-off welds on the APG vehicle?
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Good observation there Doug.

I guess Neil or Bob might have photos of their T41 & can confirm or deny the presence of those weld marks or bracket.

I guess it also depends how many pilots were made / tested at APG. I assume the photo was taken at APG.

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I believe this could be the tank in question (T41 pilot). The brackets are present, but I cant see any signs of the box...

smg.photobucket.com/al...490%20T41/

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Just a few comparison observations:

There seems to be similiar cast numbers on the turret, below the side mounted sight housing.

The headlight brackets are different.(Perhaps later modified as the ones on the vehicle now seem to be a low tech 'afterthought')

There is a 'blemish' in the area where the hull center box may have been mounted. Looks like the original was lightly welded w 3 weld marks on the right side. Those could have been ground off when the box was removed.

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Just a few comparison observations:

There seems to be similiar cast numbers on the turret, below the side mounted sight housing.

The headlight brackets are different.(Perhaps later modified as the ones on the vehicle now seem to be a low tech 'afterthought')

There is a 'blemish' in the area where the hull center box may have been mounted. Looks like the original was lightly welded w 3 weld marks on the right side. Those could have been ground off when the box was removed.

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I think the best bet is to look for removed weld marks, paint permitting. Should at least be six, three to a side. Top and bottom we have no idea.

I also think I see some difference in the rear of the turret, but the archived photo doesn't show as much of that area as I'd like to see to comment further on it.
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That would be a decoy M47. M41s only had 3 return rollers and no tensioning wheel.
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