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New at Ft. Bliss M8 Armored Car
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Roy_A_Lingle
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:14 pm
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Hi Folks!

Another pile of junk removed from the wearhouse and placed on display. Today is the second time I have been able to look this vehicle over.
No sign of any serial numbers. The staff thinks they may have a volunteer who wants to slowly work on this one.
Being a Scout, got to love an old Scout vehicle.

How many of you know which branch ordered the M8 and what was it build to do?



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I know the Military Police used the M8 and/or the M20.
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Hey Roy!!

Just have them send it here, and I'll volunteer to work on it.

I promise to send it back,.....someday!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:24 pm
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Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

- Doug_Kibbey

I know the Military Police used the M8 and/or the M20.


The MPs maybe the number one branch that found it very useful. But only after WWII ended and recon units where reduced to using only gun jeeps which cost less to operate.

Sense you brought up the M20 armored utility car, the same branch that ordered the M8, also order the M20, it however didn't find a lot of takers outside of the ordering branch. Looking at the TOE for a WWII division there are only a hand full of M20s in a division.

Hint: Where did the cannon come from and what was the original owners primarly using it for?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:27 pm
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Hi Dontos! Hi Folks!

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Hey Roy!!

Just have them send it here, and I'll volunteer to work on it.

I promise to send it back,.....someday!!

Regards
Don


If I was not still working 40 hours a week, I would try to help fix both of the junk piles up!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:04 am
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Try my 'tried & true' weekly model...

Mon/ Tues/ Thurs: 30+ hours (paid) work...

Wed: On call (paid) work

Friday: Vol work (usually Cobra King)

Saturday & Sunday: "free time"

Unfortunately since museum access is closed on the weekends I have all kinds of time for "Honey Do's"....ha ha ha

So it is plain to see that I have all kinds of time to work on a weekend project!! I could let my neighborhood UPS or FEDEX guy know of a possible sizeable delivery (M2 HT or M8 AC..?) if y'all want to go ahead and send it....(?!)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:29 pm
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Roy, was it the cavalry?
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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!
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Roy, was it the cavalry?


Sorry Neil, but no. The new Armored Force and the Cavalry became the number one user of the M8 during WW II. That is where we see almost all photos and stories about the M8 during the war.

In March of 1942 the T22 (M8 pilot) was tested by the Armored Force Board at Ft. Knox. It "was suitable for use as a reconnaissance vehicle for both the Armored Force and the Cavalry and would meet the requirements of the" ordering Branch. As it started rolling out of the factory and reaching units, the ordering branch woke up to the fact that by the time it's M8 units could reach the MTO and the ETO, it not long met "the requirements".

"Production started at Ford in March 1943 and continued through May 1945 with a total run of 8,523."

"The M8 also was evaluated by the British and given the name Greyhound."

Hint: "On 9 October 1942, the ........(Ordering Branch).....it be adopted as the standard mount for the ............in all ........ ......battalions." Something that never happiend. Now who would want hold battalions equiped with M8s?

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Ah, I think I have the answer, which I suspected originally. Was it perhaps not really a "branch" at all per se (sorry if I'm nitpicking), but rather a "force"? And an outgrowth of another branch at that? Wink

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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner

Ah, I think I have the answer, which I suspected originally. Was it perhaps not really a "branch" at all per se (sorry if I'm nitpicking), but rather a "force"? And an outgrowth of another branch at that? Wink


???? OK, maybe I was being to general with the use of the term "branch".
As for "force", don't think so, but maybe I am not right either.

Anyway, the Hunnicutt book that cover's this vehicle calls the branch I was talking about a "Command". As for where it came from, I am not sure. Possible this command grew out of the Field Artillery branch?

Hint: The using branch or command set up it's headquarters and training at Camp Hood, later Fort Hood, Texas.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:59 pm
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Tank Destroyers Corps was at Hood in WWII.
It was meant to scout for the tank destroyers-"Seek-Strike-Destroy".
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Yep, grew out of the Field Artillery...

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Hi Dan! Hi Folks!

- panamadan

Tank Destroyers Corps was at Hood in WWII.
It was meant to scout for the tank destroyers-"Seek-Strike-Destroy".


Ft Hood! We have half of a bingo!

Tank Destoryer Command ended up using it as a scout vehicle, however at the time it was ordered, the 37mm cannon was the main anti-gun for the US Army. They had planned to use it as a fast moving AT vehicle. It wasn't until after the actions in North Africa that the US Army started understanding the 37mm was to small. Remember most of the TD units went into North Africa using the M6 (WC 4x4 with a 37 in the cargo bed) and a towed version of the 37. The M8 was going to be the "stardard carrier for all 37"s.

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