±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 694
Total: 694
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Community Forums
03: CPGlang
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: News
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Member Screenshots
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: CPGlang
30: Community Forums
31: CPGlang
32: Member Screenshots
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Member Screenshots
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Downloads
46: Your Account
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Downloads
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Home
77: CPGlang
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Home
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Photo Gallery
100: Photo Gallery
101: Downloads
102: Member Screenshots
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Statistics
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: CPGlang
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Photo Gallery
117: Member Screenshots
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Downloads
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Photo Gallery
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Member Screenshots
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: News Archive
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Member Screenshots
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Member Screenshots
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Downloads
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Your Account
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: CPGlang
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Photo Gallery
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Statistics
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Member Screenshots
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Member Screenshots
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Member Screenshots
254: Member Screenshots
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Home
258: News Archive
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Home
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: CPGlang
278: CPGlang
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: CPGlang
284: Community Forums
285: Home
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: News
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Photo Gallery
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Your Account
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Downloads
315: Photo Gallery
316: Member Screenshots
317: Community Forums
318: Your Account
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Downloads
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Photo Gallery
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Photo Gallery
336: Photo Gallery
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Home
343: Photo Gallery
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Photo Gallery
349: Community Forums
350: Downloads
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Your Account
373: Your Account
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Photo Gallery
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Downloads
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Downloads
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Downloads
415: Community Forums
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Photo Gallery
422: Photo Gallery
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Your Account
449: Home
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Your Account
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Member Screenshots
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Downloads
465: Community Forums
466: Home
467: Home
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Your Account
473: Community Forums
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Downloads
477: Community Forums
478: Photo Gallery
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Downloads
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Photo Gallery
489: Member Screenshots
490: Downloads
491: Downloads
492: Photo Gallery
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Statistics
506: Community Forums
507: Photo Gallery
508: Home
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Your Account
517: Photo Gallery
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Photo Gallery
522: Photo Gallery
523: CPGlang
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Downloads
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: CPGlang
532: Photo Gallery
533: Photo Gallery
534: Home
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Home
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Statistics
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: Member Screenshots
544: Community Forums
545: Your Account
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Downloads
552: Photo Gallery
553: Photo Gallery
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Member Screenshots
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Photo Gallery
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Photo Gallery
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Community Forums
592: Home
593: Community Forums
594: Home
595: Photo Gallery
596: Photo Gallery
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Photo Gallery
603: Your Account
604: Photo Gallery
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Statistics
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Photo Gallery
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: News Archive
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Your Account
629: Photo Gallery
630: Home
631: Community Forums
632: Home
633: Photo Gallery
634: Community Forums
635: Downloads
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Home
639: Community Forums
640: Downloads
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Home
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Downloads
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Downloads
656: Community Forums
657: Photo Gallery
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Your Account
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Downloads
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Photo Gallery
670: Community Forums
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Home
675: Community Forums
676: Photo Gallery
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Photo Gallery
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Member Screenshots
683: Photo Gallery
684: Photo Gallery
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Home
691: Community Forums
692: Home
693: Community Forums
694: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Collings Foundation Difficulties
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:06 pm
Post subject: Collings Foundation Difficulties

Hi All,

I saw this post from the Collings Foundation Facebook page posted today on a warbird site. This has relevance to us AFV fans as it impacts the proposed museum that Collings was/is to build as a means of displaying the vehicles from the former Littlefield collection. Due to the insanity of the Stow, MA political structure, it appears that we US AFV fans are, once again, to be sadly deprived of public access to another collection of AFVs.

Link to CF Facebook page:
www.facebook.com/colli...4790775924

Quoted from the Collings Foundation Facebook page:

Quote:

"Based in Stow, Massachusetts, the Collings Foundation (501c3) is recognized internationally for the preservation, exhibition and operation of unique and rare historic aircraft and organizing educational living history events. The Stow museum features an incredible collection of over 75 classic automobiles, historic aircraft, tanks, military artifacts and machines.

We are in the process of expanding the facility to build the American Heritage Museum. This will be a state-of-the-art museum that will feature America’s history in the periods of WWI, WWII, Korean War, Cold War, Vietnam War and Gulf War. Military artifacts will be presented in a museum environment that is both educational and captivating.

Over the last two years we have been dealing with the mind numbing process of getting the approvals needed through the Stow boards. Apparently, the Planning Board of Stow are the only ones who can dictate what is considered educational. After two years of Planning Board meetings, the board has determined that museums are not educational. The Collings Foundation had another meeting with the Stow Planning Board Wednesday, July 29th. In a three to two vote the Planning Board made the determination that the Collings Foundation’s living history events, staff and docent tours, preservation and exhibition of historical artifacts and aircraft, school tours, STEM programs, Veteran round-table discussions, and so on – are not educational. Sorry to say, we are not making this up. More so, two out of the three on the Planning Board of Stow, Massachusetts who say our programs are not educational and mere “entertainment” – have never attended a living history event or public tour at the Collings Foundation’s museum! Wow....

Most recently, the building inspector usurped the Massachusetts Department of Transportation’s Aeronautics Commission in regulating aviation. After 37 years of continuous flying from our Stow property, the Stow Building issued a cease and desist order against the Foundation on March 26, 2015 prohibiting take-offs and landings.

Roughly 95% of the Collings Foundation’s flight operations happen during our Open House / Living History events that total six days of the year. People from Stow and all over New England have enjoyed the fantastic experience of flying in these aircraft for years.

We operate in compliance with all FAA regulations and the Massachusetts Aeronautics Commission has long approved our airfield. The Aeronautics Commission, in fact, notified the authorities in Stow on May 5, 2015 that the bylaw the Building Commissioner relied upon for his actions was “invalid and unenforceable.” (I have the letter if you want to see it)

Litigation that concluded in 2004 in Middlesex Superior Court confirmed that our operations were in compliance with the bylaws. The Town of Stow’s Zoning Board of Appeals was a party to that action, and it defended, at considerable taxpayer expense, the Collings Foundation’s activities as being in compliance with the bylaws.

Ironically, the very same Town Council who then defended our airfield use is now taking, in the absence of any changed circumstances, but in the face of the same considerable expense, the contrary position that our activities violate the bylaw. No, you can’t make this stuff up!!

Our second living history event called Race of the Century happened on July 25th and 26th. A major part of this event is the exhibition of one of the oldest flying aircraft in the United States – a 1909 Bleriot. National Geographic TV had planned to document this incredible feat of early aviation. After all these years, it is a terrible shame that we could not fly this amazing machine for all to see.

This is just a sampling of the nefarious actions the Stow boards have created in their “selective” governance. We can’t begin to express our most deep disappointment in the town’s elected and appointed officials. What the heck is happening with this town? Is this the sign of things to come once our WWII Veterans are gone? According to the Stow Planning Board, anything that should be considered educational must have Planning Board approved curriculum and testing at the end.

Such a sad state of affairs. Are you as upset as we are with this? Contact the officials in the town of Stow and let them know what you think. As always, it is the people who support educational foundations like the Collings Foundation that make a difference.

Board of Selectman: e selectmen @ stow-ma.gov e 978.897.4515

Town Administrator: e townadministrator @ stow-ma.gov e 978.897.2927

Building commissioner: e building @ stow-ma.gov e 978-897-2193

Zoning Board of Appeals: e townclrerk @ stow-ma.gov e 978.897.8780

Any questions? Call me directly.

Hunter Chaney
Director of Marketing
Collings Foundation
978.562.9182"
Back to top
View user's profile
Rick_Eshleman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 26, 2011
Posts: 909
Location: Lewes, Delaware, USA
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

Paul and Loren, Thanks for the update on Collings Foundation. Sorry to hear they are "fighting city hall" when town of Stow, MA should welcome a museum which will bring thousands of people (and dollars), to see the collection. They can always look to relocate to an area with less regulations. At least for now Stow is on my non-visit list. Rick
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

Sounds like a narrow and small-minded political cabal has taken over. Relocate and take all the visitor-generated dollars to a more enlightened and appreciative venue.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JWB2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 199

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:50 am
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

A museum is not educational? That had me shocked until I later read this foundation is in Massachusetts. They need to pack up and move to someplace like Dallas Texas.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

really a shame..

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

Well, as always, there's more to the story . . .

Apparently the property is currently zoned residential and there is an existing neighborhood surrounding the property. In order to change the zoning classification (I guess the normal process has failed) the Foundation is attempting to use a Massachusetts law or the like that allows a zoning board's decision to be overridden when the new development is for an "educational" facility. From the context of the two articles I read, this exemption must have originated from a school's plan to expand into a residential neighborhood that was held up by a zoning board and ultimately overridden by the state. To prevent abuse, the exemption includes a specific list of criteria that the planned development must meet, e.g. a curriculum, trained staff, and testing. Clearly the intention of the criteria listing is to prevent, for example, a garbage dump from building in a residential neighborhood and claiming that a picture board out front showing how garbage decomposes makes the dump an "educational" facility.

I don't think the Foundation's plan will succeed, and ultimately they will probably be better served by moving to a location that is already zoned appropriately for their purposes.

Anyhoo, here's two articles I found:
stow.wickedlocal.com/a...5/?Start=1

stowindependent.com/pl...ly-29-2015

And as you can see at the end of the second article, the board is NOT favorably impressed by comments and emails by people who don't live in the affected community.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

I find it interesting that their flight operations have been impacted also. Their airport is in a residential zoned area? I don't see a runway at that location. As Kurt says there appears to be more to the story.

I am on our local Planning and Zoning Board and understand the sometimes narrow definitions that exceptions have to fall in. And there is a certain amount of frustration with folks from outside the community coming in and telling us we should do this or we should do that. Especially when it is in direct opposition to what local residents (who have to pay the bills) want.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Collings Foundation Difficulties

The local airfield is too small for most of the CF flight operations. The B-17, B-24, B-25 and P-51 are usually touring the USA and the Me-262 replica, F-4, F-110 and A-4 are all based out of Houston. The Stow airfield is used for some observation planes based there.

I'm really hoping that things can be worked out. A publicly accessible collection of AFVs in the USA would be terrific.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum