±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: JerryH
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6595

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 362
Total: 362
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Photo Gallery
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Photo Gallery
09: Photo Gallery
10: Photo Gallery
11: Photo Gallery
12: Photo Gallery
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Home
17: Photo Gallery
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Photo Gallery
31: Photo Gallery
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Downloads
36: Community Forums
37: Photo Gallery
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Photo Gallery
42: Photo Gallery
43: Photo Gallery
44: Photo Gallery
45: Photo Gallery
46: Photo Gallery
47: Photo Gallery
48: Photo Gallery
49: Photo Gallery
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Photo Gallery
55: Photo Gallery
56: Photo Gallery
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Photo Gallery
63: Photo Gallery
64: Photo Gallery
65: Photo Gallery
66: Photo Gallery
67: Photo Gallery
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Photo Gallery
73: Photo Gallery
74: Photo Gallery
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Photo Gallery
79: Photo Gallery
80: Photo Gallery
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Photo Gallery
87: Photo Gallery
88: Photo Gallery
89: Photo Gallery
90: Photo Gallery
91: Photo Gallery
92: Photo Gallery
93: Photo Gallery
94: Photo Gallery
95: Photo Gallery
96: Photo Gallery
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Downloads
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Photo Gallery
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Photo Gallery
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Photo Gallery
135: Photo Gallery
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Photo Gallery
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Photo Gallery
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Photo Gallery
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Photo Gallery
150: Photo Gallery
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Photo Gallery
165: Photo Gallery
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Photo Gallery
178: Photo Gallery
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Photo Gallery
183: Photo Gallery
184: Photo Gallery
185: Photo Gallery
186: Photo Gallery
187: Photo Gallery
188: Photo Gallery
189: Photo Gallery
190: Photo Gallery
191: Photo Gallery
192: Photo Gallery
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Downloads
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Photo Gallery
222: Photo Gallery
223: Photo Gallery
224: Photo Gallery
225: Photo Gallery
226: Photo Gallery
227: Photo Gallery
228: Photo Gallery
229: Photo Gallery
230: Photo Gallery
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: Photo Gallery
234: Photo Gallery
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Photo Gallery
238: Photo Gallery
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Photo Gallery
242: Photo Gallery
243: Photo Gallery
244: Photo Gallery
245: Photo Gallery
246: Photo Gallery
247: Photo Gallery
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Photo Gallery
253: Photo Gallery
254: Photo Gallery
255: Photo Gallery
256: CPGlang
257: Photo Gallery
258: Photo Gallery
259: Photo Gallery
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Photo Gallery
264: Photo Gallery
265: Photo Gallery
266: Photo Gallery
267: Photo Gallery
268: Photo Gallery
269: Photo Gallery
270: Photo Gallery
271: Photo Gallery
272: Photo Gallery
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Photo Gallery
277: Photo Gallery
278: Photo Gallery
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Photo Gallery
282: Photo Gallery
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Photo Gallery
287: Photo Gallery
288: Photo Gallery
289: Photo Gallery
290: Photo Gallery
291: Photo Gallery
292: Photo Gallery
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Photo Gallery
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Photo Gallery
301: Photo Gallery
302: Photo Gallery
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Photo Gallery
306: Photo Gallery
307: Photo Gallery
308: Photo Gallery
309: Community Forums
310: Photo Gallery
311: Photo Gallery
312: Photo Gallery
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Photo Gallery
319: Photo Gallery
320: Photo Gallery
321: Photo Gallery
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Photo Gallery
327: Photo Gallery
328: Photo Gallery
329: Photo Gallery
330: Photo Gallery
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Photo Gallery
334: Photo Gallery
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Photo Gallery
339: Photo Gallery
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Photo Gallery
344: Photo Gallery
345: Photo Gallery
346: Photo Gallery
347: Photo Gallery
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Photo Gallery
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Photo Gallery
360: Photo Gallery
361: Photo Gallery
362: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1, M4A1 76 VVSS
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:21 am
Post subject: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1, M4A1 76 VVSS

Hi Folks,

Found the following items setting out in front of the Ft Bliss Musuem on Friday.

View of some of the new vehicles.
[img][/img] M4%20A1%2076mm%20VVSS [img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img]

Spot Report!
Sgt Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:55 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:29 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I have to assume these are showing up from Germany - right? Any shipping labels still attached by chance?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:20 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner

I have to assume these are showing up from Germany - right? Any shipping labels still attached by chance?
Neil


I am also assuming the Hester, M114, M24, and the M4A1 did come from Germany. The M41 was found out in the desert. The staff as of last Monday, had no information about the M3 Stuart.

As for shipping labels, ff there was any, they had been removed by the time I arrived at the Museum. The only none unit/vehicle type markings are those white #1, 2, 7, and 13 markings.

The base newspaper had a story, three or four weeks ago, about the 1st AD Museum starting to move it's vehicle collection with a photo of a M5 Stuart hanging in the air. No listing of what was being ship other than that Stuart in the photo. I haven't seen it yet.

I have recieved a report that a halftrack was unloaded. I haven't seen it, possible the wing wiping modeller who made the first report doesn't know one AFV from a another. He called the M114 a smaller virsion of a M113.

I will conduct another recon mission ASAP and report any news.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:26 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I found this video - I think you can see the Hetzer ever so briefly...

And that half-track appears to be a German one...

www.army.mil/media/amp...7862329001

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:29 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Here's an article - probably the same picture you saw:

www.army.mil/-news/200...id=twitter




1st Armored Division Museum moves to Fort Bliss

Sep 9, 2009

By Ignacio Rubalcava
1st Armored Division Museum moves to Fort Bliss

BAUMHOLDER, Germany -- Being in the military, sooner or later everyone has to pack up and move. But what if your baggage includes numerous tanks, half-tracks, artillery pieces and a building full of old uniforms, weapons and other military paraphernalia? That's the challenge the 1st Armored Division Museum is facing as it relocates to Fort Bliss, Texas, along with the 1st AD and the 2nd Brigade Combat Team.

To help with moving the tanks and half-tracks, the U.S. Army Garrison Baumholder called on the local Rech Crane Company. A massive red crane, one of the company's biggest, made simple work of loading the vehicles onto the waiting semi-trucks.

Even though Rech employees operate cranes and move things for a living, moving World War II-era vehicles is not something they do every day. Several Rech employees as well as the truck drivers were training their cell phones and digital cameras on the movement.

Even the crane operator, Heiko Kunz, paused to capture the moment by snapping a photo from high atop his strategic location in the "driver's" seat.

"Today we are loading up some of our vehicles that will be located at Fort Bliss, Texas, in support of the 1st Armored Division moving to Fort Bliss," said Ryan Mayer, museum specialist.

"The museum follows the division, in support of the division, so when the division was relocated to Fort Bliss, the museum follows, as it did when the division deployed to Germany in the '70s. This is a natural kind of occurrence," said Mayer.

"These vehicles are tangible reminders, witnesses if you will, of the division's history, the division's long history," he said.

"It's important that these vehicles go with the division so they can continue to educate, inspire, 1st Armored Division Soldiers of their proud history. I look forward to seeing the new museum at Fort Bliss," said Mayer.

The actual name of the museum is the Old Ironsides Museum. It was first established at Fort, Hood, Texas, during the 1950s. Following the 1st Armored Division's move to Germany in 1971, the museum reestablished in Ansbach, Germany.

Museum curator Nicole Suarez is responsible for coordinating the museum's move to Fort Bliss. She said she feels confident with the support she has received.

"We're lucky to have the support of the Baumholder garrison," said Suarez. "The logistics team here is amazing. They're true professionals, and we feel pretty comfortable with them moving our vehicles."

Suarez worked at the museum last year as a volunteer. When the curator left she took over as curator.

And although she has only worked a short time at the museum, she said she has an emotional attachment to these reminders of the past.

"It's hard letting go. They're like children. It's hard letting people take care of them for a while," said Suarez.

"But I think everything will be just fine. If things go like they have gone today we're going to be great," she said.

After the relocation of the 1st AD Headquarters to Bad Kreuznach, Germany, in 1991, Baumholder was chosen as the new home for the museum.

The large installation size and high troop numbers made it a logical choice. Work began in 1992 and the museum opened on Baumholder the following year.

The Old Ironsides Museum now follows the division to its new home at Fort Bliss, Texas.

When the members of the division arrive after their deployment to Iraq, they'll find the museum ready and waiting to include the latest chapter of the storied unit's history.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:38 am
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

That's the story and the photo I was talking about.

Well done Sir!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Nice to see the M4A1 76mm Wet Stowage returned to the US. We have lots of M4A1 76's with HVSS, which (so far) have not been recorded as seeing combat. This tank with VVSS was likely a combat veteran, plus there aren't many of those in the CONUS (I think Knox has (had) one stored away - don't know of any others in the US.

I see the commander's hatch is open - what is the interior condition?

Gary B.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Gary,
As you mentioned, Fort Knox should have an M4A1(76) in storage - although I believe its current location is unknown...

There's also one at the LTC Herbert Mills 1-33 Armor Memorial at Fort Lewis (albeit in the colors of 8-1 Cavalry)



But yeah, you're right - just 3 M4A1(76)VVSS! in the US... I hadnt realized that before!

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:51 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Nice to see the M4A1 76mm Wet Stowage returned to the US. We have lots of M4A1 76's with HVSS, which (so far) have not been recorded as seeing combat. This tank with VVSS was likely a combat veteran, plus there aren't many of those in the CONUS (I think Knox has (had) one stored away - don't know of any others in the US.

I see the commander's hatch is open - what is the interior condition?

Gary B


Gary,

I would not say "this is likely a combat veteran" based on the fact that this is an M4A1(76)W. I agree the type was in combat use during WW2, but many more were still stockpiled or used for training when the war ended.

The Baumholder museum sourced various AFVs from friendly armies in Europe, so this Sherman could have come from France, for example, instead of being a genuine ex-1st AD example.

Can someone find out it’s serial number? Or see if the serial number is duplicated on the glacis (typical French feature)?

Thanks,
Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

And oh, I have pleasant memories of this M4A1(76)W. The guys from 1st AD took in to an open house day of the Dutch Army many years ago. I had the pleasure of being given the opportunity to drive it both on and off road. The smile I wear today is still the same from that day!

Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hanno, you are quite right. I tend to think of the medium tank shortage in Europe but I forget that M4A1 76mm types were being delivered into 1945. It would be interesting to know more. If this was indeed a combat veteran it may well have been with British forces in Europe or Italy. I know that both the Italian and French armies used these after WW2, so this vehicle might have some interesting stories to tell.

Until you mentioned driving this tank I had also forgotten that I had seen photos of a restored (or at least operational) M4A1 76mm with the US Army in Germany. Is this the same? It would be great if it had a unit "adopt" it and keep it in good shape.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

According to Joe Demarco on G104, the 1st AD Museum in Baumholder had 2 M4A1(76)s - including 1 runner (SN 52002).

BTW, the 1st AD Museum at Baumholder also had the following - which will hopefully show up at Fort Bliss

M4A3(75)W VVSS S/N 49047
M3 Lee S/N 4559
M74
M7B2
M7B2
M10 S/N 6412
M20
M74
T-72

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

I think the M4A1(76), here at Ft Knox, that you are thinking about is the Flamethrower conversion.

It was in LST Building & is now in Richardson MP



Unless there is another that I have never seen,..... Shocked
Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3941
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

Hmm... I think you're right. I'll take it off the Knox "unknown" list...

Any ideas on the following "unknowns"?:

M1 Abrams USA std SN D1301, RN JZ01VZ; formerly at 16th Cavalry HQ



M4A3E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA std SN 65997; formerly at Abrams Center
M74 USA std SN 73362
M551 Sheridan USA std RN 13F158; Formerly at Harris Hall

Also, has that M109A5 left for Greenville KY?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Something new at Ft Bliss Texas 1

That IPM-1 was actually property of KYARNG and was repainted and supposedly to be shipped to Greenville along with the M109A5. It is not at the MAIT site, or anywhere on Ft Knox

That Sheridan is at Wilson Gate, I think. I haven't had the chance to check that out though. Too much construction in the area.

The rest, I'll check out on Wednesday.

Roy, you need to get busy building up a volunteer program!! What a great inventory,....enjoy it.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum