±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: freaknikz
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6598

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 102
Total: 102
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Photo Gallery
09: Community Forums
10: Downloads
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Photo Gallery
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Photo Gallery
41: Photo Gallery
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Home
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: CPGlang
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Photo Gallery
84: Home
85: Community Forums
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Member Screenshots
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Jens_O_Mehner
- Doug_Kibbey


Hah! He fell for it...just like ol' whatsizname on the train platform in "The Great Escape"!

"Your Okie ist good, Herr Mehner, and I hear alzo your English...your hands.....UP!" Twisted Evil


Pshaw,

your trap vas not half as gut as you thought, Amerikaner Mr. Green I'm a Polish pilot and supposed to test-fly the Hurricane...

Wasn't it Gordon Jackson aka Flight Lt. Sandy MacDonald ("Intelligence") who screwed up in "The Great Escape"? Cool

Cheers, Cool

Jens O.


Yes, I pulled from two "language" vignettes in that film, the first one with McDonald (I had even Google'd for the cast, but missed who it was) and the second one with Attenborough and everybody's favorite "bad German", Karl-Otto Alberty ("your hands....UP!")

As God is my witness, I actually saw re-runs on German TV, dubbed, of "Hogan's Heroes" once when staying in Duesseldorf for MEDICA...now that is just wrong! Laughing


Bob....are you sayin' it's too late for you to pick up those critical language skills?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2516
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

I just need a refresher in Profanity and Southern. Actually I've found that the fluency in Profanity returns very quickly with the right environmental inputs (Like banging my knuckles working on the lawn tractor) . Picking up the third one would probably be a marriage limiting move at this point.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

So we can form at least one "A Team" more when speaking about language skills... I can speak Russian, too.
Certainly there is a "Seven Languages Dictionary of (former) Warsaw Treaty"...somewhere in my locker.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:55 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- palic
So we can form at least one "A Team" more when speaking about language skills... I can speak Russian, too.
Certainly there is a "Seven Languages Dictionary of (former) Warsaw Treaty"...somewhere in my locker.


Excellent, you just doubled your exposure on the "duty roster"!

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 457
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:02 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Doug_Kibbey
- the_shadock
- Doug_Kibbey

Note to self: Make a list of our esteemed members with uniquely useful language skills and established willingness to help out. Wink


And you know what you are talking about !!

Pierre-Olivier


You're already on the list, Bud! (I just started making this, feel free to contribute or add yourself, looking for volunteers)

Polish: Polar
Czech: Palic
French: Pierre-Olivier
German: Jens_O_Mehner (probably speaks Okie, too, have my suspicions about this guy...)
Swedish: Rikard_Hufschmied
Chinese: famo
Russian: Taranov (pretty sure)
Portugese: Jose Valls (and my wife for backup in dire emergency)

...And I've got duplicates like Lesley and another Francophone (whose name is escaping me at the moment)


Ok, the gloves are off Smile

You can add Finnish (I'm half-Finn), Basic Profanity and the ability to order beer and ask directions to the "bog" in another approx. 15+ languages Smile

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4632
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:15 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Rikard_Hufschmied

Ok, the gloves are off Smile

You can add Finnish (I'm half-Finn), Basic Profanity and the ability to order beer and ask directions to the "bog" in another approx. 15+ languages Smile


Another one we'll have to keep our eye on...I never trust trust a language where they double up on their vowels for no apparent reason*! Laughing


*(said more-or-less in jest...you should hear the crap I take from my wife about English...)
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:31 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Doug_Kibbey

Excellent, you just doubled your exposure on the "duty roster"!



I plead the Fifth on my knowledge of further languages, considering the obvious consequences... HEy, I could even say this in Dutch- aaarrgggh, shoot... Smile

Yep, I'll do basic profanity in a couple dozen languages and advanced in three or four, but I firmly deny any knowledge of whorehouse anything.

I've also been told by the locals in Southwest Asia that I barter like an Arab, but I cannot do it in Arabic, it's just one of those languages I'll never master- I'm giving some thought to learning Hindi, though, does anybody have any input on the difficulties of the spoken language?



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 457
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:01 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- palic
What is the reason you tend to use dumb authomatic translator... There is a native speaker...

Translation is here:
Discover your own Panther
Although I have seen the pictures of this turret here in the article written by Bé?a, there is „complete report about this Panther finding… She was discovered in the Ukraine IVO SHPOLA (?????) town. I am not informed about the exact date of discovery but it seem to be not topical event,....there is zimmerit coating visible on the turret and the number „234“. Right hand side of hull with roadwheels, idler wheel, drive sprocket and complete track are visible in the pics. These parts only have been discovered and excavated along with turret.
I am not sure about version of this Panther but I suppose her to be Ausführung A or better G according to „V“ chevrons visible on the "working parts" of track links. Even the drive sprocket seems to be simplified variant.
I have borrowed all my books on Panther to my buddy so we could definitely assess the version in the discussion below (the article).


Hope this "decyphered version" helps...


I did help, thanks Smile

Maybe someone should email (someone with the appropriate language skills) and tell that the Panther was completely salvaged (in pieces though) and that it without a doubt is an Ausf. A.

Picture of engine bay:
Quick%20analysis%20of%20make%20and%20damage:

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 457
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:21 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

The Ukrainian Panther Ausf. A is now back on milweb through a UK dealer.

Link to advert:
www.milweb.net/classif...php?type=1

Link to UK dealer (who has promised more pictures shortly):
www.russiantruck.co.uk/

Much better quality picture of the heavily damaged hull:



It's in much worse shape than I initially guessed, the full right hull side is completely detached. It will be interesting to see more pictures to properly asses the structural damage.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

At least it is more or less secured in a western-Europe country and it will most probably be restored instead of rusting away in some scrapyard..


Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

Well, I didn't see that the most recent picture was in fact taken at the same place than the older one and maybe it is still in Ukraine...

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 457
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:01 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- the_shadock
Well, I didn't see that the most recent picture was in fact taken at the same place than the older one and maybe it is still in Ukraine...

P-O


As the webvert says "Located remote and deep in former Russian state but not in E.U" ... so it's a safe bet that it's still in the Ukraine.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum