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Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands
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Those vehicles were all in a hall near the museum entrance. Now on to those in the main Marshall Collection hall.


Unique ID 1703: Overloon Challenger

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Unique ID 1705: Overloon Sexton





I did some research today and found out that the Challenger, Archer and Sexton came from a museum at Delfzijl so I have started to write it up:

Location ID 11370: Delfzijl Museum

If anyone has any additional information about this museum, and particularly photographs, I'd love to hear from you.

I also learnt about the fate of the crew of Jackal so I've added that information:

Unique ID 1702: Overloon Churchill "Jackal"

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Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8

This thread appears to show several items of armour (& other bits, there must be dozens of Pak43 "Barn Doors" on display in Europe!) that are displayed in Holland

www.buzzybeeforum.nl/v...w=previous
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I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Concerning the buzzybee forum, most topics are only open to registrated members (like me Mr. Green ) .


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On to the vehicles in the Marshall Collection:


Unique ID 1706: Overloon G13



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Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).


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I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Understood - anything you can find would appreciated, but I have enough now to complete the write-up, and I'll get back to doing the Marshall vehicles.


Location: 11370: Oorlogsmuseum Delfzijl




I have also added the photo to the Challenger's profile page.


[Latest Statistics for PTIN:
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Location Photos: 0 -> 1
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German vehicles:


Unique ID 1707: Overloon Leopard

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Did some research about hte musuem at Delfzijl

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Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).


It is the same museum.
Original the Spitfire was placed at ground level in front of the museum, like in the picture.
However it was used by kids to play on it and in time parts dis-appeared, so they decided to move the Spitfire to the roof of the building to keep it safe.


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I will try to get you some information about this museum, however because it's some time ago (no digital camera's or internet at the time) it could be difficult


Understood - anything you can find would appreciated, but I have enough now to complete the write-up, and I'll get back to doing the Marshall vehicles.


I could not find any more information about the museum.
Tried the old newspaper archive, moving tanks would be something to write about, however nothing to be found.

The only info found that at the same location is a new museum about sealife that uses several WW2 German bunkers that where part of the Atlantic wall in that region.

Apparently the climate conditions inside bunkers are very good for such a museum Confused

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There are two red marked erea's at the glacis plate, both of them holding stamped markings.
The one at the left hand side can't be identified, however the one at the right hand side has the stamped marking "NL12340"
Picture of it available

Michel

Edit: I also have some picture's of the Saurer diesel engine of the G13 Jagdpanzer

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Yep, that is the ''fahrgestellnummer''/serial number of the hull. the markings (12E) are from A-eskadron, 2e peloton, E-tank of A-coy, 2nd platoon, radiocallsign ''E'' which is the tank of the platoon sergeant.

Original the Leopard 1s were Leopard 1A1s baulos 4. The V (verbeterd - Improved) was a Dutch modification with indeed the extra armour what the A1A1 also had but the ''V'' had some specific Dutch ''improvements''. The V is also called ''Verprutst'' (Messed up) by some old Leopard 1 commanders instead of ''Verbeterd'' (improved) Mr. Green

The Leopard 1 preserved at Oirschot (KU-93-35) is since a long time gone. First to Soesterberg to make it ready for use as hard target (draining all the oil etc) and then to Vlieland as range target. When the army part on the range closed the remains of KU-93-35 were sold for scrap metal. This was an original tank from 11 Tkbat.

It was replaced by a Leopard 1V from a mobilization complex, serial 12367, r/n KU-93-65. At the moment it is still in front of the main building of 11th tank batallion but it is unknown if it remains here when 11th tkbat disband.

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Delfzijl museum had a Spitfire on its roof.
rnlafmodelingsite.come...e-Mk-9-H-8


I'm not sure that that is the same museum - however, you encouraged me to delve a bit further and I have found a photograph that definitely is the right place as it has a Challenger tank in the background. I have added this photograph to the website and sent a link to the webmaster to check it's ok to use it, and to ask for further information on the museum (including whether it's the same one with the Spitfire).

Yep, same Spitfire sitting behind the Challenger. Clipped-wings, LF MkIX.
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A brace of Shermans:


UID 1711: Overloon M4A4 on transporter

UID%201709:%20Overloon%20M4A2%20(105)%20HVSS%20\"Indefatigable%20Gerard\" [img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1371-M4A2%20%28105%29%20HVSS%20Sherman/IMG-5837_M4A2-HVSS_Overloon_AArchive_c.jpg[/img] UID%201710:%20Overloon%20M4A3%20(105)%20HVSS%20\"Harssens\"/\"Marbrig\" [img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1372-M4A3%20%28105%29%20HVSS%20Sherman/IMG-5804_M4A3-HVSS_Overloon_AArchive_c.jpg[/img]

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- Michel_Krauss
Did some research about hte musuem at Delfzijl

It is the same museum.
Original the Spitfire was placed at ground level in front of the museum, like in the picture.
However it was used by kids to play on it and in time parts dis-appeared, so they decided to move the Spitfire to the roof of the building to keep it safe.

I could not find any more information about the museum.
Tried the old newspaper archive, moving tanks would be something to write about, however nothing to be found.

The only info found that at the same location is a new museum about sealife that uses several WW2 German bunkers that where part of the Atlantic wall in that region.

Apparently the climate conditions inside bunkers are very good for such a museum :?




- Pzkpfw-e
Yep, same Spitfire sitting behind the Challenger. Clipped-wings, LF MkIX.



Thanks guys - I've updated the entry (text, links, location and photo caption), let me know if there's anything else to add:

Location 11370: Oorlogsmuseum Delfzijl

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 6:16 am
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Older shot of G13
www.flickr.com/photos/...3712350011
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Overloon's Panther, as "found".
www.panther1944.de/com...=6&p=37541
The last commentator may be worth contacting, as he has photos from 1964.
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