±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 675
Total: 675
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: CPGlang
02: Community Forums
03: Downloads
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Member Screenshots
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Member Screenshots
17: Your Account
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Home
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: CPGlang
29: Home
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Photo Gallery
38: Community Forums
39: Home
40: Member Screenshots
41: Photo Gallery
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Home
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Home
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Downloads
56: Your Account
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: News Archive
60: Your Account
61: Downloads
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Statistics
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Downloads
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Downloads
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Your Account
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: CPGlang
94: Your Account
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Photo Gallery
100: Statistics
101: Community Forums
102: Your Account
103: News
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Photo Gallery
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Photo Gallery
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Downloads
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Member Screenshots
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Photo Gallery
140: Community Forums
141: Member Screenshots
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Your Account
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Photo Gallery
159: Home
160: Downloads
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Member Screenshots
172: Downloads
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Your Account
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Statistics
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Downloads
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Member Screenshots
220: Home
221: Home
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: Home
234: Home
235: News Archive
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Home
239: News
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: CPGlang
245: Photo Gallery
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Home
250: Community Forums
251: Member Screenshots
252: Community Forums
253: Photo Gallery
254: CPGlang
255: Member Screenshots
256: Downloads
257: Photo Gallery
258: Member Screenshots
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Member Screenshots
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Home
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Downloads
288: Community Forums
289: CPGlang
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Home
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Your Account
298: Community Forums
299: Home
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: CPGlang
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Downloads
327: Photo Gallery
328: CPGlang
329: Home
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Downloads
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Home
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Your Account
342: Home
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Member Screenshots
348: Downloads
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Downloads
352: Photo Gallery
353: Home
354: Photo Gallery
355: Photo Gallery
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Photo Gallery
361: Home
362: Member Screenshots
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Downloads
366: Photo Gallery
367: Home
368: Home
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Home
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Photo Gallery
377: Member Screenshots
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: CPGlang
384: Photo Gallery
385: Home
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Home
390: Photo Gallery
391: Home
392: Photo Gallery
393: Home
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Downloads
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Downloads
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Home
411: Home
412: Home
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Downloads
420: Photo Gallery
421: Member Screenshots
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Photo Gallery
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Photo Gallery
434: Community Forums
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: CPGlang
447: Photo Gallery
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: CPGlang
456: Community Forums
457: CPGlang
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Home
463: Home
464: Member Screenshots
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Home
473: News Archive
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Downloads
478: Community Forums
479: Photo Gallery
480: Home
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Community Forums
491: Home
492: Community Forums
493: Downloads
494: Community Forums
495: Home
496: Home
497: Photo Gallery
498: Photo Gallery
499: Home
500: Community Forums
501: Statistics
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Your Account
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Member Screenshots
519: Photo Gallery
520: Community Forums
521: Home
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Your Account
525: Community Forums
526: Member Screenshots
527: Home
528: Home
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Home
545: CPGlang
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Photo Gallery
549: Photo Gallery
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Home
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Downloads
557: Community Forums
558: Home
559: Downloads
560: Community Forums
561: Home
562: Downloads
563: News
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Home
567: News Archive
568: CPGlang
569: Community Forums
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Photo Gallery
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Photo Gallery
580: Community Forums
581: Downloads
582: News
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Home
588: CPGlang
589: Community Forums
590: Member Screenshots
591: Community Forums
592: Member Screenshots
593: Home
594: Community Forums
595: Home
596: Member Screenshots
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Downloads
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Photo Gallery
604: CPGlang
605: CPGlang
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Photo Gallery
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Photo Gallery
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Downloads
617: Search
618: Home
619: Community Forums
620: Downloads
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Photo Gallery
627: Home
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Downloads
633: Home
634: Downloads
635: Home
636: Community Forums
637: CPGlang
638: CPGlang
639: Community Forums
640: Photo Gallery
641: Photo Gallery
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Photo Gallery
646: Community Forums
647: Statistics
648: Community Forums
649: Home
650: Home
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Home
656: Home
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Photo Gallery
661: Community Forums
662: Home
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Member Screenshots
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Downloads
674: Community Forums
675: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:39 pm
Post subject: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

forum.axishistory.com/...2&t=129335

An interesting mix of French & American afvs, guns & soft skins.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- Pzkpfw-e
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=129335

An interesting mix of French & American afvs, guns & soft skins.


The comments to the effect of the AMX mounting a Panther gun were most illuminating.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Smashy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 05, 2010
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- Doug_Kibbey
- Pzkpfw-e
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=129335

An interesting mix of French & American afvs, guns & soft skins.


The comments to the effect of the AMX mounting a Panther gun were most illuminating.


Not as interesting as the names of the children...

_________________
Smashy
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

well, there is nothing shocking in naming children "Wilhelm" and "Magdalena" Rolling Eyes

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 817
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

I like the 5-ton with what looks like the turret from an M-42 Duster...one hell of a gun truck!

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- Smashy


Not as interesting as the names of the children...


I had to go back to see what you were talking about. That is disturbing.

I wonder what they go by, casually?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
P_J_SMITH
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 25, 2010
Posts: 8

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

The first German immigration to Venezuela was in the early 1500s.

Currently, Venezuela has a very large number of some 50,000 ethnic Germans, many being descendants of Germans who settled there in the 1840s. Some use a German dialect that is distinct from "standard" German to the point of the different dialect speakers being unintelligible to each other.

So, Magdalena and Wilhelm are really not unique names for there. Magdalena has a number of variations including Lena or Lina depending on the continent. I had a great-aunt named Magdalena, whom we called Lina.

Who can forget the flawed Lina Lemont in SINGING IN THE RAIN?

Wilhelm is also the inspiration for naming Little Willy in Britain during WWI. Which ties us back to the AFVs.
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- P_J_SMITH
The first German immigration to Venezuela was in the early 1500s.

Currently, Venezuela has a very large number of some 50,000 ethnic Germans, many being descendants of Germans who settled there in the 1840s. Some use a German dialect that is distinct from "standard" German to the point of the different dialect speakers being unintelligible to each other.

So, Magdalena and Wilhelm are really not unique names for there. Magdalena has a number of variations including Lena or Lina depending on the continent. I had a great-aunt named Magdalena, whom we called Lina.

Who can forget the flawed Lina Lemont in SINGING IN THE RAIN?

Wilhelm is also the inspiration for naming Little Willy in Britain during WWI. Which ties us back to the AFVs.


You might want to take a closer read at the link. I don't think "Wilhelm" and "Magdalena" are really the issue here. Wink

I missed it the first read over myself.....

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:31 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- Doug_Kibbey
- Pzkpfw-e
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=129335

An interesting mix of French & American afvs, guns & soft skins.


The comments to the effect of the AMX mounting a Panther gun were most illuminating.


The AMX-13 didn't use a "Panther gun". It used a 75MM gun the French developed from the German 75MM used in the Panthet. In a strange twist of fate it was later used by the IDF in the M-50 Sherman.

I like the 5-ton with what looks like the turret from an M-42 Duster...one hell of a gun truck!


It's not a 5 ton, it's a M35 2 1/2 ton.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
clausb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:29 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- tanker2010
The AMX-13 didn't use a "Panther gun". It used a 75MM gun the French developed from the German 75MM used in the Panthet. In a strange twist of fate it was later used by the IDF in the M-50 Sherman.


AFAIK, it was the performance of the Panther gun, that was the starting point for the development of the French 75mm SA50 gun used in the AMX-13. Not sure if the actual gun design was used as a basis for development and one may wonder how much "Panther gun" was actually left, once it was installed in the AMX-13?

There seems to be quite a few differences in the designs, for example:

- The German 7,5cm KwK 42 used a 75mm x 640mm cartridge case with a rim diameter of 122mm. The AMX used a 75mm x 597mm cartridge case with a rim diameter of 117.

- The German gun had a calibers length of 70, the French gun was L/62.

Does anyone have more detail on the French gun for comparison?
Back to top
View user's profile
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 817
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela


I like the 5-ton with what looks like the turret from an M-42 Duster...one hell of a gun truck!


It's not a 5 ton, it's a M35 2 1/2 ton.


I'm not that great on ID'ing soft skins. Thought it could be a 2 1/2 ton, but figured it may be too light a chassis for the turret. Is the turret in fact from an M-42?

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

Looks very much like one.
Back to top
View user's profile
bialy-r
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 06, 2009
Posts: 1233
Location: POLAND
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:30 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- Tanklord
I like the 5-ton with what looks like the turret from an M-42 Duster...one hell of a gun truck!


www.fav-club.com/index...;Itemid=22
Back to top
View user's profile
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 817
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved vehicles in Caracas, Venezuela

- bialy-r
- Tanklord
I like the 5-ton with what looks like the turret from an M-42 Duster...one hell of a gun truck!


www.fav-club.com/index...;Itemid=22


Thank you very much Bialy! I have a couple of Duster kits that I can now use to make these vehicles.

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum