±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 513
Total: 513
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Home
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Member Screenshots
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Home
13: Downloads
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Statistics
17: Photo Gallery
18: Home
19: Downloads
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Member Screenshots
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: CPGlang
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Member Screenshots
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: CPGlang
74: Photo Gallery
75: News Archive
76: Photo Gallery
77: Photo Gallery
78: Home
79: News
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Downloads
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Member Screenshots
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Your Account
123: Member Screenshots
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Home
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: CPGlang
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Home
163: Photo Gallery
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Member Screenshots
173: Community Forums
174: Downloads
175: LinkToUs
176: Home
177: CPGlang
178: Photo Gallery
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Home
182: Photo Gallery
183: Statistics
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: CPGlang
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: CPGlang
194: Downloads
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Community Forums
200: Downloads
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Member Screenshots
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Your Account
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Photo Gallery
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: CPGlang
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Statistics
240: Photo Gallery
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Photo Gallery
245: Statistics
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Photo Gallery
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Photo Gallery
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Home
269: Photo Gallery
270: Downloads
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Downloads
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Your Account
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Photo Gallery
301: Downloads
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Home
311: Home
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Your Account
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Downloads
328: CPGlang
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Downloads
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Your Account
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Downloads
346: Community Forums
347: CPGlang
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Photo Gallery
351: Photo Gallery
352: Photo Gallery
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Photo Gallery
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: CPGlang
361: Home
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Home
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Downloads
372: Home
373: Home
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: CPGlang
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Your Account
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Search
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Photo Gallery
407: Your Account
408: Home
409: Home
410: Home
411: Member Screenshots
412: Photo Gallery
413: Home
414: Member Screenshots
415: Member Screenshots
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Statistics
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Photo Gallery
422: Statistics
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Photo Gallery
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Your Account
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Photo Gallery
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Photo Gallery
440: Your Account
441: Photo Gallery
442: Community Forums
443: CPGlang
444: Community Forums
445: Photo Gallery
446: Community Forums
447: Downloads
448: Community Forums
449: Your Account
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Photo Gallery
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: CPGlang
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Your Account
479: Your Account
480: Photo Gallery
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Home
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Statistics
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Downloads
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:27 am
Post subject: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

I realized I hadnt posted anything about the new training support facilities... The FY16 National Defense Authorization Act signed by the President into law on 25 November includes $33M and $13.4M for "training support facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill respectively.
www.congress.gov/bill/.../1356/text

Details for the Army's plans for these facilities can be found at
asafm.army.mil/Documen...fh-hoa.pdf

The Fort Lee TSF is to be 120,000 square feet, including "classrooms, administrative areas, rest rooms, arms storage vault, consolidated entry and reception area, and climate controlled high-bay and standard height material storage areas... Special foundations are required... Access for individuals with disabilities will be provided."

"This project is required to provide Ordnance student training via lecture, practical application, and direct contact and interaction with ordnance devices and research. The facility is needed to support Soldier training to meet the Program of Instruction (POI) and related instructional requirements associated with the Ordnance School, and to make items available for research and development efforts to meet Soldier requirements."

Construction start was scheduled for April 2016, and completion April 2018.

I would note the centennial of the Ordnance Museum is in 2019.

Meanwhile, the Fort Sill TSF will be 56,000 square feet, including: "open high-bay vehicle storage space, offices, classrooms, latrines, arms room, consolidated entry and reception area... Special foundations are required... Access for persons with disabilities will be provided."

"This facility is required to house historical equipment and weapons used for Soldier training to meet the Program of Instruction (POI) and related instructional requirements associated with the Air Defense Artillery (ADA) School. It directly supports units providing indoor, environmentally controlled training/storage space for decommissioned large, historic, military weapons."

Constructed start scheduled for April 2016, completion October 2017.

Supposedly the Fort Benning (armor) TSF will be in the FY17 budget request.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:51 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Great news, now lets hope they do not get cut back.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:00 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

The big open question is public access and whether they will be called "museums."

There was political opposition to this in the past, largely due to a certain SASC staffer. He is apparently gone, but I suspect the Army will be gun-shy on the subject for a while...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:10 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

What is the story behind this "SASC Staffer"?
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:22 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

When the Army last requested MILCON for museum facilities a few years ago it ran into 2 problems: 1) They waited too long and requested regular MILCON instead of BRAC MILCON funds; 2) there was opposition in the SASC to using public funds for publicly-accessible museums, p*articularly from one staffer.

Supposedly there was some sort of agreement years ago that the government would no longer provided funds for building new publicly-accessible museums (as opposes to facilities needed for soldier training) and that private organizations would need to fund such museums (ie - like the National Museum of the Marine Corps). Supposedly the National Museum of the US Army was the sole exception to this ban, grandfathered in. Of course never mind that the Army had used public funds to build relocated museums under the prior BRAC rounds - see the Engineer / MP complex at Fort Leonard Wood, and the Women's Museum at Fort Lee, etc.

That being said, I have never seen this supposed agreement/ban in writing or law - for all I know it was a gentleman's agreement. Whether it is still in force I dont know...

I'll note that while the Ordnance Museum was rebranded the "Ordnance Training and Heritage Center" (in truth it never had the facilities to reopen museum as at Fort Lee), the ADA Museum never changed its name (it quickly reopened in borrowed facilities at Fort Sill) and AFAIK has no intention to...

Like I said before, 2019 is the centennial of the establishment of the Ordnance Museum - so fingers crossed.

I like to aspirationally think of it as the "Once and Future Ordnance Museum" Wink

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:31 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Hope for the best.
Back to top
View user's profile
Rick_Eshleman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 26, 2011
Posts: 908
Location: Lewes, Delaware, USA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:21 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort S

If this facility is built and labelled "Ordnance Training and Heritage Center" and all of the vehicles are housed in it would be great. Public access to the items there would help support the Ordnance Center. It doesn't have to be called a museum to display items, example: Carlisle US Army Heritage and Education Center. Public access, next to, but not in the Army War College, reasonable open hours, and not called a "museum". Thanks for the good news Neil.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:37 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Rick,
I'm pretty certain one that former directer Chris Semancik (back in the 2010-2012 timeframe when the museum/center went through 3 directors in 3 years), who also happened to be the former curator at the Army Heritage and Education Center at Carlisle, changed the name in part to avoid the "museum" controversy.

But like I said, the ADA Museum didnt change its name, and doesnt seem to see a need to.

At any rate, I'm also curious if they will put the new "TSF"/museum near/outside the front gate like the original plan c2007:





Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Rick_Eshleman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 26, 2011
Posts: 908
Location: Lewes, Delaware, USA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:16 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Neil,
Thanks for the update and let's see if they finally will get this project started. In the lobby of the former Ordnance Museum was a sign mentioning the BRAC move to Ft. Lee, but I was also told back the that the former Ordnance Museum at APG would reopen in 2012-2013. We all know this did not occur. Please keep us updated on any new developments. Thanks, Rick
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:48 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Rick,
The first picture above is from that sign.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Rick_Eshleman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 26, 2011
Posts: 908
Location: Lewes, Delaware, USA
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:12 am
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort S

Neil, The sign I have is on same back board, but slightly different. I tried to post it here with no luck, but I posted it on my flickr account: www.flickr.com/Photos/brick6757 . The sign you show is much more detailed than mine. Rick
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:46 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Yep, that was the second sign - or other side of the sign?

Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:48 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort Sill

Notice it said "move... to Fort Lee in May 2011"... It said nothing about opening LOL.
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:24 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort S

I hope all will be finished and open to the public for my second trip to the USA Wink

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:32 pm
Post subject: Re: New "Training Support Facilities" at Fort Lee and Fort S

TSF for Benning was not approved for budget FY17. Have there been any press releases or official announcement from Lee or Sill about their TSFs?

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum