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I have spent the past several days 'googling' in search of certain patches.

I thought that this might be an interesting thread. So post your interesting patches (deployment, gunnery, unit commemorative type)

I have collected a couple and searching for others.

1989 3rd AD (4/32 Ar) Canadian Army Trophy patch

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5th Infantry Div, Ft Polk, LA
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The already "un-official" but widely worn "Dirty Delta" patch for the Aerorifle Troop, 2/17th Cav (Vietnam) on left...with my even more "un-official" privately-made (VN tailor) patch on right:
But%20for%20a%20real%20story,%20the%2017th%20Cav%20itself%20had%20no%20patch...just%20small%20enameled%20unit%20crests.%20A%20Sqdn.%20CO,%20however,%20enjoys%20certain%20prerogitives.%20Ours%20(who's%20bio%20is%20below)%20commissioned%20the%20one%20on%20the%20right...but%20never%20collected%20it.%20It's%20the%20only%20one%20of%20it's%20type%20known%20to%20exist%20(also%20made%20by%20the%20same%20VN%20tailor). Shown%20here%20with%2035%20years%20of%20wear%20on%20my%20jacket%20(like%20the%20ace%20of%20spades).%20But%20just%20last%20Christmas,%20I%20had%20an%20exact%20replica%20made%20for%20the%20family%20of%20the%20late%20Col.%20Rider%20(courtesy%20of%20John%20Conway%20at%20the%20VHPAMuseum%20website).%20It%20is%20one%20of%20three%20we%20had%20made. \"Winged%20Spur%20of%2017th%20Cav.%20patch%20was%20an%20\"unauthorized\"%20item%20(unit%20crests%20were%20authorized)%20commisioned%20by%202/17th%20Cav.%20C.O.,%20the%20late%20LTC%20Archie%20Rider.%20Following%20his%20precipitous%20departure%20from%20Vietnam,%20this%20patch%20was%20on%20display%20at%20a%20Camp%20Eagle%20\"d---\"%20shop%20where%20the%20maker%20declined%20to%20sell%20it%20while%20waiting%20for%20LTC%20Rider%20to%20claim%20it.%20When%20informed%20he%20was%20no%20longer%20in-country,%20it's%20status%20immediately%20changed%20to%20\"For%20Sale\"%20&%20it%20was%20thus%20acquired.%20It%20resides%20on%20my%20jacket%20along%20side%20the%20unusual%20Dirty%20Delta%20\"spade\"%20patch%20from%20D%20Trp.%202/17th%20to%20this%20day\"%20 \"Col.%20Archie%20A.%20Rider%20(LTC,%20as%20CO%20of%202/17th%20Cav,%20Mar-Oct.%20'71)%20waits%20for%20us%20at%20Fiddlers'%20Green,%20having%20passed%20away%20in%201998.%20The%20colorful%20and%20aggressive%20CO%20retired%20in%201985%20with%2030%20years%20service.%20After%20his%204th%20tour%20in%20RVN,%20he%20spent%20most%20of%20the%20‘70’s%20at%20the%20Pentagon,%20then%20as%20Prof.%20of%20Military%20History%20at%20Jacksonville%20State%20University%20in%20Alabama%20from%20June%20‘80%20-%20October%20‘84%20when%20he%20reported%20as%20Special%20Assistant%20to%20the%20Commanding%20General%20of%20the%20Third%20ROTC%20Region.%20An%20Army%20review%20board%20found%20that%20LTC%20Rider%20(as%20well%20as%20his%20XO,%20Maj.%20Dick%20Albrecht)%20was%20unjustly%20relieved%20of%20command%20in%20late%20Oct.%20’71%20following%20a%20lengthy%20&%20acrimonious%20relationship%20with%20a%20general%20officer%20in%20Divisional%20command%20to%20whom%20LTC%20Rider%20eventually%20found%20himself%20reporting.%20Various%20issues,%20some%20preceding%20this%20direct%20reporting%20relationship,%20included%20but%20were%20not%20limited%20to,%20the%20following:%20(1.)%20LTC%20Rider’s%20principled%20refusal%20to%20withdraw%20from%20a%20forward%20position%20in%20mid-operation%20which%20he%20had%20been%20granted%20authority%20to%20occupy,%20when%20such%20action%20would%20have%20placed%20at%20unacceptable%20risk%20the%20lives%20of%20~200%20men.%20(2.)%20His%20respectfully%20declining%20of%20a%20request%20(then,%20an%20order),%20to%20recover%20bodies%20from%20a%20downed%20aircraft%20in%20Laos%20where%20he%20(but%20not%20the%20officer%20responsible%20for%20the%20aircraft’s%20presence%20there)%20had%20the%20authority%20to%20operate,%20but%20when%20such%20action%20would%20have%20directly%20conflicted%20with%20directions%20from%20higher%20authority%20NOT%20to%20mount%20operations%20for%20the%20recovery%20of%20bodies%20or%20aircraft%20across%20the%20border.%20(3.)%20His%20refusal%20to%20replace%20his%20XO%20(Maj.%20Albrecht)%20for%20unjustifiable%20reasons%20.%20LTC%20Rider%20and%20Maj.%20Albrecht%20were%20shipped%20out%20virtually%20overnight,%20an%20action%20that%20so%20angered%20his%20troops%20that%20Maj.%20Langley%20Chavis%20(acting%20CO%20&%20successor%20XO)%20was%20advised%20to%20visit%20&%20pre-empt%20D%20Troop%20(the%20aero-rifle%20ground%20troop)%20who%20were%20“saddling%20up�%20for%20an%20unspecified%20action%20with%20consequences%20that%20no%20one%20could%20foresee.%20LTC%20Rider%20spent%20the%20next%206%20years%20appealing%20to%20Army%20Review%20(Corrections)%20Boards.%20Testimony%20from%20numerous%20associates%20and%20participants%20in%20some%20of%20the%20actions%20leading%20up%20to%20his%20relief,%20including%20Maj.%20Albrecht,%20Maj.%20Langley%20Chavis%20&%20ARVN%20Maj.%20Doan%20(CO%20of%20the%20Hoc%20Bao),%20among%20others,%20convinced%20the%20Board%20and%20LTC%20Rider%20was%20granted%206%20years%20back%20pay%20and%20grade%20and%20the%20disciplinary%20action%20expunged%20from%20the%20record.%20Maj.%20Albrecht%20was%20also%20vindicated.%20The%20general%20officer%20involved%20retired%20very%20shortly%20thereafter.%20Though%20vindicated,%20the%20episode%20probably%20deprived%20Col.%20Rider%20of%20attendance%20at%20the%20War%20College%20&%20very%20likely,%20a%20star.%20He%20never%20had%20a%20chance%20to%20claim%20the%202/17th%20Cav%20patch%20he%20commissioned%20at%20Camp%20Eagle,%20featured%20on%20this%20page.%20Many%20thanks%20to%20the%20sources%20for%20this%20update,%20which%20include%20telephone%20&/or%20email%20interviews%20with%20Maj.%20Langley%20Chavis%20(ret.)-1999,%20Maj.%20Dick%20Albrecht%20(ret.)-2003%20and%20most%20particularly,%20Regina%20Rider%20Estes%20(devoted%20daughter,%20who%20had%20the%20foresight%20to%20retain%20transcripts%20and%20a%20recorded%20oral%20history)%202002-03,%20without%20whom%20this%20brief%20bio%20would%20not%20have%20been%20possible.)%20-%20Doug%20Kibbey,%20D%20Trp.%20&%20HHT,%202/17th%20Cav.%20’71.%20 L-R:%20Maj.%20Dick%20Albrecht,%20Cpt.%20Nge%20(XO%20of%20the%20Hoc%20Bao,%20later%20KIA),%20Maj.%20Doan%20(CO%20of%20the%20Hoc%20Bao,%20whose%20men%20were%20dependent%20on%20the%20radio%20relay%20operations%20LTC%20Rider%20refused%20to%20abandon),%20and%20LTC%20Archie%20Rider.\"%20(picture%20not%20shown%20here)%20-Doug%20Kibbey www.vhpamuseum.org/17t...quad.shtml As%20worn%20(one%20example):
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:26 pm
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Wow....

Thanks Doug...

Don
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:55 pm
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Don,
I have a whole bunch of patches from the Vietnam era but unfortunately they ain't Army. Looking at Doug's unique patches reminded me of them. Mine are all Air Force my Dad found in Okinawa. He gave them to me. Crews used to pass through Kadena on the way in and out of Vietnam. Very colorful and very different. F4, F100, F105, F101, A1E, B52, B57, and a bunch more from what I remember. A few say 100 missions SEA or something like that. They are sitting up in my parents attic. I've really considered giving them to the Wright Patterson museum.

Armor Content= None

Yes, I am an Air Force Brat, and a lot of Bob Smarts posts from Langley bring back memories. 27th, 71st and 94th TFW and the 48th FIS were there.

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Joe

That okay (being AF Brat). I'm an Army Brat, but Dad was ADA so spent alot of time in USAF community. Ramstein AFB, Stewart AFB, Loring AFB, Wiesbaden AFB,... He had to play with NORAD 'back in the day' also.

Two air medals in Vietnam (did FAO stuff).

So I guess you can say I'm not too far off...

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Hey,
Sometimes I wonder what if ??? Nah, I love my tanks. No regrets other than I wish I could still be tanking now.

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- Dontos
Wow....

Thanks Doug...

Don


....and that, as they say, is the highly sanitized version "editted for content" and suitable for airing in "prime time". The whole story is a lot weirder that what I hope you can imagine....

...and now, some 11th ACR variants. The first one is the "official" type, followed by three of Vietnamese tailor-production...the one at top right one of my originals, the lower two gifts from John at VHPA (but authentic). These have the often seen "enhanced stallion" (one VERY enhanced).


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These aren't the glorious patches of real world combat, but rather my OPFOR infantry uniform that was the uniform of the 11th ACR up until they deployed Jan 2005. This uniform is now retired from use. I kept two of these and donated one to the 11th ACR museum, that is already on display as the last of the "true" OPFOR unifroms. I came to Irwin in August 2002 when the OPFOR star patch was worn on the shoulder only. There was soon a new OPFOR beret crest and the "Star" patch was moved to the right shoulder, if you were here during its wear, kind of like a combat patch. The red, silver and Gold stars with wreathes are called "Hamby's" named after LTC that was killed at the NTC in a jeep accident. Red is 3rd class, silver is 2nd, and gold is 1st class. Lots of people usually got these. The blue patch, is the OPFOR equivilant to an EIB. If you were an EIB holder in the "real" army, you could wear this on the OPFOR uniform. It was designed by the 2/11th CSM around 2003 time frame. The red patch is the OPFOR Mortar Certification Badge. There was a written test, Mortar exam, and a 5 mile ruck march required to earn this badge. Only 1/11 Mortar men wore it.

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This U.S.Army Air Ambulance Detachment Fort Irwin is a highly sought after patch because of its exact likeness to a certain beer that is sold in large volume. They even have this painted on the side of their HQ's. A buddy that was a crew chief in this unit gave me this before he left for Germany a few months ago.

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[img]
These aren't the glorious patches of real world combat, but rather my OPFOR infantry uniform that was the uniform of the 11th ACR up until they deployed Jan 2005. This uniform is now retired from use. I kept two of these and donated one to the 11th ACR museum, that is already on display as the last of the "true" OPFOR unifroms. I came to Irwin in August 2002 when the OPFOR star patch was worn on the shoulder only. There was soon a new OPFOR beret crest and the "Star" patch was moved to the right shoulder, if you were here during its wear, kind of like a combat patch. The red, silver and Gold stars with wreathes are called "Hamby's" named after LTC that was killed at the NTC in a jeep accident. Red is 3rd class, silver is 2nd, and gold is 1st class. Lots of people usually got these. The blue patch, is the OPFOR equivilant to an EIB. If you were an EIB holder in the "real" army, you could wear this on the OPFOR uniform. It was designed by the 2/11th CSM around 2003 time frame. The red patch is the OPFOR Mortar Certification Badge. There was a written test, Mortar exam, and a 5 mile ruck march required to earn this badge. Only 1/11 Mortar men wore it.


Jeff, so what does the OPFOR wear now?

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The uniform I'm wearing in this picture that Doug took on his visit is being batted around as the next OPFOR uniform. Since the Army is going to the new digitized color scheme, the NTC is trying to stay with the DCU, so that visiting BLUFOR units will still be able to easily distinguish us apart from their own forces. When I got here in 2002, DCU's were in short suppy, so much so that some soldeirs were issued heavy weight tops with light weight bottoms, or very faded tops with new bottoms, etc... Joe private usually could care less, but I'm picky about my uniform and want to look professional at all times, so I bought my own uniforms. The DCU is really much cooler is the Mojave sun in the summer as well, but doesn't hide stains very well. I have already bought one set of the New ACU's and the cost is as follows, straight from my clothing sales reciept;
ACU Top- $36.95
ACU Bottom- $34.55
ACU Name tapes- $10.00 (4X$2.50)
ACU velcro E-7 rank- $3.15 (for 2)
11th ACR velcro patch-$7.50 (for 2)
U.S. Flag velcro- $2.50 (for 1)
3pr tan t-shirts- $13.50 ($4.35 per t-shirt)
subdued pin on EIB, Airborne, AirAssault- $7.50 ($2.50 ea)
TOTAL so far is $115.20 for 1 uniform and I have still to buy a hat because they dont have my size yet. I believe they are another $7.50. So you're looking to spend about $122.70 for one set!!! That doesn't even include the boots, if you weren't issued them already as I was. I've typed enough.

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Here are others from 89. They are all sewn on my nomex jacket I wore during the competition.


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ACU Top- $36.95
ACU Bottom- $34.55
ACU Name tapes- $10.00 (4X$2.50)
ACU velcro E-7 rank- $3.15 (for 2)
11th ACR velcro patch-$7.50 (for 2)
U.S. Flag velcro- $2.50 (for 1)
3pr tan t-shirts- $13.50 ($4.35 per t-shirt)

An afternoon spent running around post finding historical aircraft relics and generally phartin' around with another old trooper....PRICELESS!

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Family%20crest%20Of%20the%20Baron%20of%20Sytzama%20which%20formed%20the%20Regiment%20Hussars%20of%20Sytzama%20of%20which%2011th%20Tank%20battalion%20is%20part%20off,%20the%20other%20(disbanded)%20was%2043rd%20Tank%20Battalion Family%20crest%20of%20Major%20Leichleitner,%20first%20military%20commander%20of%20the%20Regiment.%20This%20crest%20is%20on%20both%20sides%20of%20the%20turret%20of%20the%20Leopards.
This was the emblem of 43rd tank battalion. It is originated from the Afdeling (english translation?) Currasiers nr.3

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