±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 774
Total: 774
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Photo Gallery
08: Photo Gallery
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Downloads
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Downloads
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: News Archive
24: Community Forums
25: CPGlang
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Statistics
32: Home
33: Photo Gallery
34: Photo Gallery
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Downloads
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Statistics
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Your Account
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Downloads
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Photo Gallery
68: Downloads
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Your Account
76: Community Forums
77: Photo Gallery
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Your Account
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: News
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Downloads
94: Home
95: CPGlang
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Downloads
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Downloads
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Home
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Home
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Downloads
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Photo Gallery
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Downloads
145: Member Screenshots
146: Community Forums
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: CPGlang
150: Your Account
151: Your Account
152: Home
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: CPGlang
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Member Screenshots
171: News Archive
172: Community Forums
173: Downloads
174: Home
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Statistics
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Home
196: Member Screenshots
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Downloads
202: Member Screenshots
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Downloads
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Community Forums
218: Member Screenshots
219: Community Forums
220: News
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Downloads
225: Home
226: Community Forums
227: Home
228: Downloads
229: Community Forums
230: Home
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: News Archive
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Home
243: Home
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Photo Gallery
247: Downloads
248: Statistics
249: Downloads
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: CPGlang
255: Member Screenshots
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Photo Gallery
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: CPGlang
264: Downloads
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: CPGlang
268: Photo Gallery
269: Downloads
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: CPGlang
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: News
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Photo Gallery
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Your Account
306: Photo Gallery
307: Statistics
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Downloads
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Member Screenshots
321: CPGlang
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: News
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Photo Gallery
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Community Forums
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Photo Gallery
346: Community Forums
347: News
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Downloads
351: Downloads
352: CPGlang
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Your Account
359: Community Forums
360: Downloads
361: Photo Gallery
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Downloads
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Home
371: Home
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Statistics
376: Downloads
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Member Screenshots
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Home
387: Photo Gallery
388: Statistics
389: Home
390: Photo Gallery
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Home
412: Downloads
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Member Screenshots
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Community Forums
426: Home
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Downloads
438: Photo Gallery
439: Downloads
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Home
451: Home
452: Downloads
453: Community Forums
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Home
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Statistics
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Photo Gallery
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Photo Gallery
474: Photo Gallery
475: Downloads
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Your Account
481: Community Forums
482: Downloads
483: Community Forums
484: Downloads
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Member Screenshots
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Downloads
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Downloads
510: Home
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: Home
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Home
523: Home
524: Photo Gallery
525: Photo Gallery
526: Downloads
527: Community Forums
528: Home
529: Photo Gallery
530: Community Forums
531: Photo Gallery
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Downloads
535: Home
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Home
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Your Account
547: Photo Gallery
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Community Forums
552: Photo Gallery
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Member Screenshots
556: Photo Gallery
557: Community Forums
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Downloads
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Downloads
568: Community Forums
569: Home
570: Community Forums
571: Photo Gallery
572: Community Forums
573: Home
574: Home
575: Photo Gallery
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: Home
580: Photo Gallery
581: Downloads
582: Downloads
583: Community Forums
584: News
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Downloads
588: Downloads
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Community Forums
592: Downloads
593: Home
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: News
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Downloads
603: Home
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Photo Gallery
607: Photo Gallery
608: Community Forums
609: Home
610: Community Forums
611: Home
612: Home
613: Downloads
614: Photo Gallery
615: Home
616: Statistics
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Your Account
620: News
621: Community Forums
622: Downloads
623: Downloads
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Statistics
632: Home
633: Community Forums
634: Photo Gallery
635: Photo Gallery
636: News Archive
637: Member Screenshots
638: Community Forums
639: Home
640: CPGlang
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Home
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Statistics
649: Community Forums
650: Your Account
651: Photo Gallery
652: Home
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Member Screenshots
660: Home
661: Member Screenshots
662: Community Forums
663: Home
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Photo Gallery
668: Home
669: Home
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Photo Gallery
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Photo Gallery
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Home
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Member Screenshots
686: Community Forums
687: Home
688: Community Forums
689: CPGlang
690: Photo Gallery
691: Home
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Downloads
701: Community Forums
702: Home
703: Community Forums
704: Home
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Photo Gallery
708: Community Forums
709: Home
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: Home
715: Downloads
716: Community Forums
717: Photo Gallery
718: Community Forums
719: Photo Gallery
720: Community Forums
721: Home
722: Downloads
723: Home
724: Home
725: Community Forums
726: Downloads
727: Community Forums
728: Home
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Home
733: Your Account
734: Community Forums
735: Home
736: Photo Gallery
737: CPGlang
738: Home
739: Community Forums
740: Home
741: Home
742: Photo Gallery
743: Photo Gallery
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Photo Gallery
747: Downloads
748: Home
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Photo Gallery
752: CPGlang
753: Downloads
754: Downloads
755: Home
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Photo Gallery
759: Home
760: Downloads
761: Community Forums
762: Photo Gallery
763: Community Forums
764: Photo Gallery
765: Downloads
766: CPGlang
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Community Forums
770: News
771: Downloads
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:00 pm
Post subject: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

www4.army.mil/ocpa/rea...d_key=9467

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:22 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

Hi Folks!

"Wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks..." Shocked

It's NOT a tank Evil or Very Mad , it's NOT a tank Evil or Very Mad , it's NOT a tank. Evil or Very Mad

It's an UPGRADE from a recoilless rifle mounted on a jeep. Razz

For all you tankers out there, this old scout would suggest that you all climb down off your real tanks, set down in a jeep and think about it for a few minutes. Or if you will, take off your tanker's boots and put on a pair of infantry walking boots.

Styrker is an upgrade for light infantrymen, not a down grade from main battle tanks. Not counting the Canadian Military in which case the current plan, if not changed, will result in the MGS being a down grade from the Leo I C2 MBT. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

I spent most of my career as a scout riding on M-114s (7-8 tons), M-113s (11-12 tons) and the M-151 4x4 MUTT with just a M-60 machine gun backed up by a pair of M-40 106mm RRs.

From an infantryman's point of veiw, the Stryker MGS is a lot better than a jeep or even an uparmored Hummer.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:10 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

It was my understanding that the gun system on the MGS Stryker was the same as an M1 tank, am I wrong? I saw one firing on the move last night on the Military Channel and it looked quite impressive!

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:06 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

Its an M68 105mm gun. So yes, same gun on the original M1, but not the M1A1. Kind of misleading.

And Roy is exactly right. It's not a tank, it's not a replacement for a tank. It's an infantry support weapon. Better than a couple guys carrying recoilless rifles or something similar.
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:18 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

I agree, the Strykers are not replacing the tanks/heavy mech, they are replacing the light infantry. The Army has realized that we need more guys with rifles than the tank/mech team had.

They realized after Somalia that the guys with rifles (no matter how elite) were too vulnerable with no organic armored transports.

So they figured, let's put guys in armored cars. We know it won't stand up to a tank, but it's better than an armored HMMWV. And if we need to face tanks, we still have our tanks to send in first.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:43 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

It was my understanding that the gun system on the MGS Stryker was the same as an M1 tank, am I wrong? I saw one firing on the move last night on the Military Channel and it looked quite impressive!


That is part of the problem with the MGS. People see a 105mm cannon, the standard NATO tank killer for many years, carried on most NATO MBTs and they get a mine set that the MGS is sometype of new tank. While that cannon can kill a lot of the current tanks (notice, I didn't say MBT) that are on the plant, it would have trouble with many of the state of the art heavy weight MBTs.

The Stryker BCTs have been put together with a lot of TOW systems and AT4s as their PRIMARY MBT killers. The last system they would call forward to kill MBTs with would be the MGS. But like those TOWs and AT4s, great care must be used because the MGS, like the TOW carriers and the infantry with their AT4s are NOT Main Battle Tanks.

As SABOT said, The Stryker MGS is an ARMORED CAR. People need to call them Armored Cars and then maybe folks will STOP THINKING of them as some type of new tank.

In the case of the Canadian Military's plans to replace their Leo 1 C2s with MGS, if that goes through, those troopers are going to have to be very smart in how they deploy those vehicles. Just like an infantryman in a jeep with a recoilless rifle.

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:49 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

He, he! I remember watching the Military Channels 'Anatomy of a Stryker' and they covered the version with the M1's original 105mm gun and I thought: WOW! Imagine if you were the enemy and saw THAT speeding towards ya"! Laughing That had to be the most menacing looking non-tank I had ever seen!
Back to top
View user's profile
BryanWilson
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 27

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:01 pm
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

Thanks for the link.

I just finished reading Stryker Combat Vehicles by Gordan Rottman (part of Osprey's New Vanguard series) & IMO, he gives a good, balanced account of the Stryker. What it is & what it isn't, what it can & cannot do & what it was designed for. I was rather surprised to read about the short development to deployment time for the Stryker. If you're looking for a good general history of the Stryker, I would recommend this book. Plus it's chock full of photos & drawing that are a hallmark of the NV series.

As an aside, it's refreshing to read a forum discussion on the Stryker that isn't full of bluster & BS that one too often sees on other "AFV enthusiast" sites.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:17 pm
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

I picked that one up to, but hate all the CGI they used for the pictures. In many cases they used CGI (including for the cover) when there are plenty of actual photos they could have used...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
BryanWilson
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 27

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:13 pm
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

- Neil_Baumgardner
I picked that one up to, but hate all the CGI they used for the pictures. In many cases they used CGI (including for the cover) when there are plenty of actual photos they could have used...

Neil


Yea, I agree. They just resently started using those "CGI drawings" & I wish they would quit doing it. They just don't look right. I may write Osprey's customer service & express my opinion. Neutral
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:09 am
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

For what it is worth, the LAV III, Bison and Coyote family are doing heroic service in southern Afghanistan. The 25mm is the heaviest gun in the section (not counting M72 LAW and 40mm M203's). On three-round burst it is very controllable, and effective at piercing walls. The mobility is not equivalent to a tank, and nobody is trying to use it that way. But for a HEAVY APC it is doing quite well.

The bad guys have hit a number of convoys with their heaviest weapons, but as far as the open source reporting goes, they haven't knocked out any LAVs. There are some photos of a crippled LAV that was destroyed by 500 lb bombs on purpose, but I think it was too badly stuck to be recovered.

The Canadian MGS has not been in the news much. There have been stories about a halt to the Leo C2 disposal and some reporters mused about putting those tanks in AF, but this was flatly denied by the spokesmen.
Back to top
View user's profile
A2_Prius
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:49 am
Post subject: That wheelie-bin-based pretend tank

I think there'd be less confusion regarding this Stryker variant's mission if it had been called the Infantry Support Gun System, instead of MGS.

On a related thought, maybe its time to start a thread on the Abrams's successor, the XM? Legacy . . .
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:36 pm
Post subject: Re: That wheelie-bin-based pretend tank

- A2_Prius

On a related thought, maybe its time to start a thread on the Abrams's successor, the XM? Legacy . . .


I don't think we will see an Abrams successor for a long time.
But for the sake of discussion What will it's name be? Given that the last few tanks got their name from 'the leading practitioner of Armored Warfare from the previous generation' (my description of the name class containing Patton & Abrams) would the next one be

the Schwartscopf? ( I know I probably mis-spelled it, which would be an ongoing problem.) On the basis of the campaign in Desert Storm he is probably as deserving as anyone.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Burik
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 05, 2006
Posts: 119

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:40 pm
Post subject: Re: About one of those wheelie-bin-based pretend tanks...

- Neil_Baumgardner
I picked that one up to, but hate all the CGI they used for the pictures. In many cases they used CGI (including for the cover) when there are plenty of actual photos they could have used...

Neil


Hi Guys:

Ineresting thread. Osprey woud not be using photos for the "plates" in the middle of the book. That is always reserved for artwork. Nowadays I suppose it is much easier to use the computer to do the art part.

What I am disappointed about in the book is that it has too much of the pre-production Stryker illustrated. The driver's thermal imaging vision enhancer camera is constantly shown in front of the driver. It was relocated to the upper center of the hull. The few Iraqi deployed photos show this. Also, the two cylinders behind the driver's hatch (I think at least one is for the NBC system) were changed in production models and look quite different now. I suppose the author and illustrator had to rely on information available at the time and this is the problem with writing on a new vehicle, but if that is the case then this book took quite awhile to publish since these changes have been in place for at least three years.

Thus, guys like me who are modelers need to be wary of these photos for reference as it relates to production vehicles.

As far as the MGS goes it seems like a good idea. I just hope they got all those pre-production quirks worked out.

Bob
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum