±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 835
Total: 835
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: CPGlang
17: Community Forums
18: Your Account
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Downloads
25: Downloads
26: Downloads
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Home
36: Home
37: Downloads
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Your Account
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Downloads
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Your Account
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: Downloads
71: Downloads
72: Statistics
73: Downloads
74: Home
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Member Screenshots
79: Statistics
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Home
92: Downloads
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: CPGlang
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Downloads
108: Community Forums
109: Home
110: Home
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Member Screenshots
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Statistics
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: CPGlang
129: Photo Gallery
130: Home
131: Photo Gallery
132: Member Screenshots
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Home
139: Photo Gallery
140: Home
141: Member Screenshots
142: Photo Gallery
143: CPGlang
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Community Forums
147: Downloads
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: News
154: Community Forums
155: Home
156: CPGlang
157: Downloads
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Downloads
161: CPGlang
162: Community Forums
163: Downloads
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Downloads
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Statistics
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Your Account
176: Community Forums
177: Member Screenshots
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Downloads
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Photo Gallery
192: Downloads
193: Community Forums
194: CPGlang
195: Downloads
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: CPGlang
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: CPGlang
216: Community Forums
217: Downloads
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Your Account
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: Community Forums
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: News
248: CPGlang
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: CPGlang
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: CPGlang
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Photo Gallery
277: Community Forums
278: Downloads
279: Community Forums
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Your Account
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Downloads
292: CPGlang
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Home
296: Downloads
297: News Archive
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Your Account
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Downloads
314: Community Forums
315: Your Account
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Home
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Downloads
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Downloads
328: Downloads
329: Community Forums
330: Statistics
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: CPGlang
341: Your Account
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Home
351: Downloads
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Photo Gallery
355: Downloads
356: Downloads
357: Downloads
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Member Screenshots
362: Community Forums
363: Home
364: Community Forums
365: Home
366: Downloads
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Photo Gallery
375: Community Forums
376: Photo Gallery
377: Home
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Photo Gallery
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Your Account
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Member Screenshots
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Statistics
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Search
403: Home
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: Photo Gallery
409: Photo Gallery
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Member Screenshots
414: Photo Gallery
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Downloads
422: Community Forums
423: Home
424: Downloads
425: Home
426: Community Forums
427: Photo Gallery
428: Home
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Photo Gallery
441: Member Screenshots
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: CPGlang
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Photo Gallery
458: Your Account
459: Member Screenshots
460: Home
461: Your Account
462: Community Forums
463: Photo Gallery
464: Photo Gallery
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums
467: Home
468: CPGlang
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Downloads
479: Photo Gallery
480: Downloads
481: Downloads
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Downloads
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Photo Gallery
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Photo Gallery
493: Home
494: Home
495: Community Forums
496: Photo Gallery
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Community Forums
503: Member Screenshots
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Statistics
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Home
518: Home
519: Downloads
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Downloads
523: Downloads
524: Community Forums
525: Photo Gallery
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Downloads
531: Community Forums
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Downloads
537: Photo Gallery
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Photo Gallery
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: CPGlang
547: Community Forums
548: Photo Gallery
549: News
550: Photo Gallery
551: Photo Gallery
552: Downloads
553: Photo Gallery
554: Photo Gallery
555: Home
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Community Forums
559: Your Account
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Downloads
566: News
567: Community Forums
568: Photo Gallery
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Photo Gallery
577: Community Forums
578: Downloads
579: Community Forums
580: Downloads
581: Home
582: Home
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Photo Gallery
587: Statistics
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Photo Gallery
595: Downloads
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: Community Forums
599: Photo Gallery
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Downloads
605: Photo Gallery
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Photo Gallery
615: Community Forums
616: Photo Gallery
617: Your Account
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Home
621: Home
622: Community Forums
623: Downloads
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Downloads
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Downloads
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Photo Gallery
640: Home
641: Home
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Home
646: Downloads
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Photo Gallery
650: Downloads
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Statistics
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Community Forums
661: Home
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Statistics
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Downloads
670: Photo Gallery
671: Community Forums
672: Downloads
673: Community Forums
674: Downloads
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Photo Gallery
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Downloads
687: CPGlang
688: Community Forums
689: Photo Gallery
690: Photo Gallery
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Home
697: Photo Gallery
698: Downloads
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: Home
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Home
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Home
710: Photo Gallery
711: Home
712: CPGlang
713: Home
714: Photo Gallery
715: Downloads
716: Community Forums
717: Home
718: Community Forums
719: Photo Gallery
720: Downloads
721: Home
722: Member Screenshots
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Your Account
726: CPGlang
727: Community Forums
728: Home
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Statistics
734: Downloads
735: Downloads
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Photo Gallery
739: Photo Gallery
740: News Archive
741: Member Screenshots
742: Home
743: Downloads
744: Downloads
745: Community Forums
746: Photo Gallery
747: Photo Gallery
748: Community Forums
749: Downloads
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Downloads
755: Community Forums
756: Home
757: Home
758: Community Forums
759: Photo Gallery
760: Downloads
761: Community Forums
762: Member Screenshots
763: Photo Gallery
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Downloads
767: Community Forums
768: Member Screenshots
769: Member Screenshots
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Community Forums
775: Home
776: Community Forums
777: Home
778: Home
779: Photo Gallery
780: Photo Gallery
781: Member Screenshots
782: Community Forums
783: Downloads
784: Community Forums
785: Community Forums
786: Community Forums
787: Community Forums
788: Home
789: Community Forums
790: Community Forums
791: Home
792: Community Forums
793: Community Forums
794: Community Forums
795: Community Forums
796: Community Forums
797: Downloads
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: Community Forums
801: Community Forums
802: Community Forums
803: Community Forums
804: Photo Gallery
805: Community Forums
806: Community Forums
807: Community Forums
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Downloads
811: Community Forums
812: Community Forums
813: Home
814: Community Forums
815: Community Forums
816: CPGlang
817: Community Forums
818: Downloads
819: Community Forums
820: Home
821: Photo Gallery
822: Photo Gallery
823: Downloads
824: Community Forums
825: Community Forums
826: Community Forums
827: Community Forums
828: Home
829: Community Forums
830: Community Forums
831: Community Forums
832: Community Forums
833: Community Forums
834: Community Forums
835: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:21 am
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner


XM-8
I'll need to check that one too, but I think there's a bunch of them actually (just not on display).

What was that SPG at the Hampton VA hospital? Was it an XM-108 or something else?


Off the top of my head, I think five XM-8s completed and standardized as M-8s. One has been upgraded with a 120mm main gun.

The Hampton VA vehcile is a T195.

This is a photo from a very old Janes' AFV book.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:22 am
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

I thought I remember hearing that the 5 XM-8s built were going to be issued to an 'interim' armor unit with the 82nd ABN. A couple weeks later was when the XM-8 at Aberdeen was drug out from 'behind the fence' and set next to the warehouse. (That was all discussed on the old board)
Does anyone know if they went through with the plan?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
clausb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:32 am
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- Neil_Baumgardner
- Dontos
Besides the Obvious, T28 Super Heavy, here are a few possible candidates:




Sd.Kfz. 234-4, only one in the world?l


No, they have one, restored, in Munster, Germany as well (came from Bovington in 1975).

Dont know how many DDs are around in the US, but there are several in Europe.

Claus B
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:48 am
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- Neil_Baumgardner

Seven surviving M40s by my count... I think my totally arbitrary bar is 5...

M12 is definately a good one though... That cant be the only survivor right? Any overseas?

Neil


That may be the only one. It was a limited production run and almost all were immediatly deployed to Europe. Wouldn't be surprised if all there were scrapped immediately postwar

Five is as good a cutoff as any. A full (traditional) platoon, or enough so that Aberdeen, Bovington,Knox, Kubinka, and Samur each have one. I can't think of any offhand that actually meet that criteria though.

How many Tiger Is are there?

Elephant/Ferdinand Aren't there 3? (Aberdeen, Bovington, Kubinka)
JagdTiger? (Same 3?)
Brummbear?

You might ask Ed at Aberdeen for his list of rare beasts. I've seen a list he has of high priority vehicles to get run through refirb. Several were on the list because of 'only one built' or 'only known example'

The Whippet and Mark IV come to mind. Not sure about Vickers MkII. What about the Mk VI light?

What about the Japanese Type 89 or even the Chi-Ha

For other German vehicles The fluid drive Mk IV, the 'Grasshopper', Nashorn?

How many M13/40s are left?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:54 am
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

Claus

What about Soumas and Renault R35s? Do y'all have a bunch stashed away in France?

Which reminds me How many Char Bs are there? I remember a discussion way back when I first came on the board and thought Aberdeen had one but found out I had misremembered the Souma.

And isn't the WWI Schneider that Aberdeen 'sent home' the only one left?

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:23 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- Roy_A_Lingle

The Hampton VA vehcile is a T195.



There was a bit of a disagreement between Jim & I on the identification of that vehicle. Based on Hunnicutt, my conclusion is that it is an M108 hull (the hull is like a normal M108, different from the T195) and a T195 turret.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:30 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- bsmart
I thought I remember hearing that the 5 XM-8s built were going to be issued to an 'interim' armor unit with the 82nd ABN. A couple weeks later was when the XM-8 at Aberdeen was drug out from 'behind the fence' and set next to the warehouse. (That was all discussed on the old board)
Does anyone know if they went through with the plan?


I believe the M8 was sitting outside the warehouse sometime before the 82nd thing came up - which has subsequently been dead for some time now. The proposal died because it would have been extremely difficult to support five prototypes in the field.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:07 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- bsmart
- Neil_Baumgardner

Seven surviving M40s by my count... I think my totally arbitrary bar is 5...

M12 is definately a good one though... That cant be the only survivor right? Any overseas?

Neil


That may be the only one. It was a limited production run and almost all were immediatly deployed to Europe. Wouldn't be surprised if all there were scrapped immediately postwar.


Okay, although I wonder if there's another 1 or so out there in Europe...


How many Tiger Is are there?


Thanks to Pierre-Olivier's Surviving Tigers file we know there are six surviving Tiger Is.

the.shadock.free.fr/Su...Tigers.pdf


Elephant/Ferdinand Aren't there 3? (Aberdeen, Bovington, Kubinka)


Just two - APG & Kubinka

www.achtungpanzer.com/pz6.htm


JagdTiger? (Same 3?)


Right three - Aberdeen, Bovington & Kubinka.

www.achtungpanzer.com/pz12.htm


Brummbear?


Four: APG, Kubinka, Munster, Saumur


You might ask Ed at Aberdeen for his list of rare beasts. I've seen a list he has of high priority vehicles to get run through refirb. Several were on the list because of 'only one built' or 'only known example'


You forget I have a copy of that list. Wink I'll have to dig it up.


The Whippet and Mark IV come to mind. Not sure about Vickers MkII. What about the Mk VI light?


Six Whippet survivors:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whippet_Mk_A

Seven surviving Mk IVs as well:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_I_tank (misidentifies the APG Mk IV as a Mk V).

Cant find good info on Mk II Mediums, or the MK VI Lights... Coldsteel has mentioned that the RAAC museum has a Mk II Medium.


What about the Japanese Type 89 or even the Chi-Ha


Thankfully there is a pdf file (somewhat out of date) on "Preserved Japanese Tanks": www.armourarchive.co.u...panese.pdf

Just three Type 89s, so thats rare enough...

24 Chi-Has out there, a lot on Pacific Islands of course... But still a good amount in museums...


For other German vehicles The fluid drive Mk IV, the 'Grasshopper', Nashorn?


Got the first two. According to Pierre-Olivier's Surviving Pz. IV Variants, there are just 2 Nashorn/Hornisses (APG & Kubinka).


How many M13/40s are left?


Eek! Italian stuff... I dont have any good sources. Bovington has one...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:17 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- Neil_Baumgardner
- Roy_A_Lingle

The Hampton VA vehcile is a T195.



There was a bit of a disagreement between Jim & I on the identification of that vehicle. Based on Hunnicutt, my conclusion is that it is an M108 hull (the hull is like a normal M108, different from the T195) and a T195 turret.

Neil


I arrived at the conclusion it was a T195E1 - there were four of them, all differed slightly and I suspect that was No 3 which had the turret from one of the T195 prototypes.

There are a number of small differences between that hull and an M108 one.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:27 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- bsmart
Claus

What about Soumas and Renault R35s? Do y'all have a bunch stashed away in France?


I know of at least 3 S 35s (APG, Bovington & Saumur). At least 3 R 35s as well (APG & two at Saumur). But I would suspect there's more in other museums in Europe?


Which reminds me How many Char Bs are there? I remember a discussion way back when I first came on the board and thought Aberdeen had one but found out I had misremembered the Souma.


Bovington & Saumur each have Char Bs.


And isn't the WWI Schneider that Aberdeen 'sent home' the only one left?


Yep. Only St Chamond I believe too...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:44 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- JimWeb
- Neil_Baumgardner
- Roy_A_Lingle

The Hampton VA vehcile is a T195.



There was a bit of a disagreement between Jim & I on the identification of that vehicle. Based on Hunnicutt, my conclusion is that it is an M108 hull (the hull is like a normal M108, different from the T195) and a T195 turret.

Neil


I arrived at the conclusion it was a T195E1 - there were four of them, all differed slightly and I suspect that was No 3 which had the turret from one of the T195 prototypes.

There are a number of small differences between that hull and an M108 one.

Cool


My reasoning was based on this picture on page 208 of Hunnicutt's Sheridan.



Note how the slope on the upper front hull, starting from the right, continues pretty far over to the left side.

Here is the "Hampton"



I dont see the same kind of slope on this one, or the grill...

Now if there were T195E1 hulls that looked more like conventional M108 hulls I would agree.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:17 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

I do see the same slope as well as hints of the little round port just above the centerline grab handle. The problem is partialy the quality of the B&W photo which doesn't make it easy to see the change in planes on the 'bulge' on the right side (as you are sitting in the driver seat) It also looks like both have the hinges for an access panel in front of the bulge. From this angle it looks like the grill on Hampton was replaced or covered with sheet metal. No headlights on hampton and the lifting eyes are a little different.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:26 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

Okay, look at the slope this way... On the T195E1 picture, you have the grill and then the slope continues at a right angle to the left, before sloping up on a diagonal line. On the Hampton Hull, you only have the right angle as far as where the grill would be, then it starts to slope at a diagonal angle.

I'll try to mark up the pictures to describe what I am saying better...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:43 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

Okay, these pictures may help with what I am describing/seeing with regard to the "slope."





Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:59 pm
Post subject: Re: One of a kinds/only survivors, etc... - Help needed

- Neil_Baumgardner
Okay, these pictures may help with what I am describing/seeing with regard to the "slope."




Oh look a nice picture of T195E1 RD1


[/quote]

Good grief its an image of the T195E1 RD3!

and oh look its an image of T195E1 RD 4 at the bottom of this message!!!! What they don't all look exactly the same?? well strap me you'd think they would make all the development vehicles look exactly alike to avoid confusion...

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum