±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 1
Visitors: 835
Total: 836
Who Is Where:
 Members:
01: Rick_Eshleman > Community Forums
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Member Screenshots
07: Statistics
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: News Archive
14: Downloads
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Community Forums
21: Downloads
22: News
23: Community Forums
24: Downloads
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Downloads
29: Downloads
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Your Account
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Home
45: Downloads
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: News Archive
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Downloads
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Downloads
88: Statistics
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Home
97: Your Account
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Photo Gallery
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Downloads
105: Home
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Photo Gallery
123: Downloads
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Photo Gallery
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Home
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Downloads
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: CPGlang
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Home
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: News
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Photo Gallery
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Downloads
187: Downloads
188: Home
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Downloads
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Home
203: Community Forums
204: Statistics
205: Downloads
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Statistics
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Your Account
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Downloads
249: Statistics
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Member Screenshots
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Member Screenshots
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Your Account
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Your Account
285: Community Forums
286: CPGlang
287: Photo Gallery
288: Your Account
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Photo Gallery
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Home
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Member Screenshots
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Your Account
322: Photo Gallery
323: Home
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: News Archive
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Member Screenshots
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Photo Gallery
336: Photo Gallery
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Community Forums
346: News
347: Photo Gallery
348: Photo Gallery
349: News
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Member Screenshots
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Downloads
356: Community Forums
357: Your Account
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Home
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Downloads
369: Photo Gallery
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Home
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: CPGlang
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Your Account
394: CPGlang
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Photo Gallery
406: Supporters
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: CPGlang
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Photo Gallery
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Home
422: Community Forums
423: Downloads
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Member Screenshots
430: Downloads
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: CPGlang
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Community Forums
448: Photo Gallery
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Home
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Home
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Downloads
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Statistics
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Downloads
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Photo Gallery
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Member Screenshots
485: Community Forums
486: CPGlang
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Photo Gallery
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Home
493: Downloads
494: Your Account
495: Community Forums
496: Downloads
497: Photo Gallery
498: News Archive
499: Downloads
500: Member Screenshots
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: CPGlang
506: Downloads
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Community Forums
514: Photo Gallery
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Your Account
518: Community Forums
519: Photo Gallery
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: News
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Photo Gallery
527: Community Forums
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Home
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Home
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Home
543: Community Forums
544: Photo Gallery
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Home
548: Photo Gallery
549: Photo Gallery
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Photo Gallery
558: News
559: Community Forums
560: Member Screenshots
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Photo Gallery
572: Community Forums
573: Photo Gallery
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Home
580: Downloads
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Downloads
584: Downloads
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Photo Gallery
589: Community Forums
590: Home
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: CPGlang
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Photo Gallery
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Your Account
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Downloads
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Photo Gallery
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Home
618: Your Account
619: Community Forums
620: Photo Gallery
621: Downloads
622: Photo Gallery
623: Home
624: Photo Gallery
625: Downloads
626: Member Screenshots
627: Photo Gallery
628: Downloads
629: Community Forums
630: Downloads
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Photo Gallery
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Downloads
638: Home
639: Community Forums
640: CPGlang
641: Community Forums
642: Photo Gallery
643: Community Forums
644: News Archive
645: Home
646: Photo Gallery
647: Community Forums
648: Downloads
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Home
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Downloads
659: Community Forums
660: Your Account
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Downloads
664: Your Account
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Downloads
672: Photo Gallery
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Photo Gallery
676: Photo Gallery
677: Community Forums
678: Photo Gallery
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Home
684: Downloads
685: Home
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Photo Gallery
690: Community Forums
691: Home
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Home
700: Home
701: Photo Gallery
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Photo Gallery
705: Member Screenshots
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Photo Gallery
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Downloads
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Photo Gallery
724: Community Forums
725: Downloads
726: Home
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums
730: Downloads
731: Photo Gallery
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Downloads
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Photo Gallery
738: Downloads
739: Photo Gallery
740: Home
741: Photo Gallery
742: Community Forums
743: Community Forums
744: Statistics
745: Photo Gallery
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Photo Gallery
749: Community Forums
750: Photo Gallery
751: Community Forums
752: Downloads
753: Photo Gallery
754: Home
755: Photo Gallery
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Photo Gallery
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Downloads
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Photo Gallery
769: Home
770: Member Screenshots
771: News Archive
772: Downloads
773: News Archive
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Home
785: Downloads
786: Community Forums
787: Home
788: Community Forums
789: Community Forums
790: Community Forums
791: Community Forums
792: Photo Gallery
793: Community Forums
794: Community Forums
795: Community Forums
796: Community Forums
797: News Archive
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: CPGlang
801: Home
802: Home
803: Community Forums
804: Photo Gallery
805: Photo Gallery
806: Community Forums
807: Photo Gallery
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Community Forums
811: Photo Gallery
812: Community Forums
813: Community Forums
814: Home
815: Community Forums
816: Community Forums
817: CPGlang
818: Photo Gallery
819: Photo Gallery
820: Photo Gallery
821: Photo Gallery
822: Community Forums
823: Community Forums
824: Photo Gallery
825: Community Forums
826: Community Forums
827: Photo Gallery
828: Downloads
829: Community Forums
830: Community Forums
831: Community Forums
832: Community Forums
833: Downloads
834: Photo Gallery
835: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:51 pm
Post subject: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Last night I received an e-mail from Ed Heasley saying they were planning on moving the Elephant this morning. After some soul searching and 'Telecommuting' into work very early this morning to make sure I could afford to take off I decided to take at least the morning off and drive up to Aberdeen to watch and document the effort.

The tow truck arrives


First we push


Then we pull


The HETT arrives


Hooking up the cables


The first tug


Almost there!


Loaded up


We got us a convoy!!


There was one casualty of the move. There was a 4-5' black snake that insisted on climbing onto the tracks and drive sproket. is now 2 1' snakes, 1 2' snake, and a lot of goo!


They left the Elephant on the HETT tonight in the motorpool and will drop it at the Refurb center in the morning.

Two final notes - Ed asked me to let everyone know that I already gave him copies of all the pictures I took today so there is no need to send him any! And I would have had his out an hour ago but Firefox decided to update itself just before I hit submit and I lost the entire message!

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Great pics Bob!

I take it the tracks "rolled" okay? Otherwise I'd have worried about the tracks ripping off, like the Mile of Tanks ones... Didnt they try to use TWO M88s last time they tried to move it for just that reason? Seems like they did it rather easily this time...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:23 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

The background to the sudden change in the elephant's status

As I understand it the Commanding General asked at her staff meting why 'the old tank' was still sitting at the railhead. Dr Atwater explained the long history about not being able to get it moved. Then she asked something to the staff like 'You mean we can't move a tank?' After the meeting the Colnel called the recovery section chief and asked something like 'Chief why can't we move a tank?' The Chief ( a Chief Warrant Officer) said 'Sir we haven't been asked, of course we can move a tank'. In all fairness this has gone on so long the folks involved now are not the ones who had problems years ago.

Anyway The ball got rolling quickly. The Warrants and NCOs checked things like weight and balance, got clearances for a heavy move across base and arranged a base police escort. They were surprised that the Elephant uses an electric transmission (The comment was they had hybred drive 50 years ago? I told them there is at least one other similar vehicle (The T23) in the museums possecion. Rolling Eyes )

This was obviously a well qualified group. There were several Warrants, and most of the rest were E6s and E7s with a few civilians. Several sported Senior Instructor badges on their uniforms. They quickly layed out the planned operation, had an alternative prepared if they had trouble loading like they did last time. While waiting for the HETT to arrive they pulled the Elephant forward and back about 100yards to loosen up the track. The pictures were taken from so far back while they were winching it up because they insisted that everyone not actively involved be further away from the action than the cable was long (just in case Shocked ) Everything went very smoothly, if not as quickly as some thought it could.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Hellfish6
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 09, 2006
Posts: 151
Location: Orlando
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:25 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Great pics, great story. I can't wait to see this monster restored.
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:22 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Thanks for the pictures Bob

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:39 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Really great news !! I'm happy to see this and really hope that this very rare tank will be now better preserved !!

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:00 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Are they actually going to work on restoring this one, or did they just wanted to have it moved?

Where did it get moved to? Is is now over by the warehouse or did they just put it in one of the yards?

Great set of photos.

I, too would love to see this one restored.

Any more news on when the Tiger I is coming back??

Thanks for the update.

Chris Neel
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:31 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- jcneel
Are they actually going to work on restoring this one, or did they just wanted to have it moved?


Well they have wanted it moved for years Rolling Eyes It does not have a 'slot' in the refurb schedule at the moment. Right now refurb is working on the Vickers Mk 6 light tank, the Mae West, and the Firefly. The Firefly got it's first primer coat this week so it is occupying the Paint Booth for a while.


Where did it get moved to? Is is now over by the warehouse or did they just put it in one of the yards?


Well by now (He looks at the clock) it should be unloaded outside the refurb shop. It will sit on the concrete pad outside the paint booth (next to the 'Vigilant' SP gatling gun) until they decide to put it in the paint booth.


Any more news on when the Tiger I is coming back??


No update on the Tiger. I am hoping that the 'notification system' that Ed used for the Elephant was a dry run for how I will find out about the Tiger (although I am hoping for a little more lead time). Rest assured as soon as I have any news I can pass on I will let everyone know. But there may be a 'News Embargo' when the Tiger comes back. That will probably be a much higher profile event and there is talk about the Air Force and Ordnance Public Affairs folks wanting to control the announcements. I just hope I don't get completely frozen out of things when the time comes.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:41 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Well the good news is it's an open post (for the most part). All you need is to get the heads up and anyone can come on post that day Wink - that is assuming you get the heads up...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:39 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- Neil_Baumgardner
Well the good news is it's an open post (for the most part). All you need is to get the heads up and anyone can come on post that day Wink - that is assuming you get the heads up...

Neil


If it comes in it will come in to the Airfield, which is a restricted area I'm pretty sure. I've told them I still have my GI drivers license stamped 'Flightline Authorized' if Dr Atwater needs someone to drive up to the plane Wink

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:42 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Good point, depends on whether they leave it in the "behind the fence" area... Since its already been refurbed thanks to Mr Wheatcroft, I wouldnt think it would need to go through the refurb facility... So what do they plan to do with it anyway? Park it outside the museum?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:05 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- bsmart
- Neil_Baumgardner
Well the good news is it's an open post (for the most part). All you need is to get the heads up and anyone can come on post that day Wink - that is assuming you get the heads up...

Neil


If it comes in it will come in to the Airfield, which is a restricted area I'm pretty sure. I've told them I still have my GI drivers license stamped 'Flightline Authorized' if Dr Atwater needs someone to drive up to the plane Wink


Is coming in by air transport a sure thing? Is there a possibility it could be sent over by container ship? That was one problem when the museum acquired the JagdPanzer IV from the UK. It was shipped over and spent a long time sitting on the dock. During that time the persiscopes and other equipment were stolen. I do hope they fly it directly to APG to avoid that from happening.

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:43 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

I think there are several problems with Sea transport

1) This won't fit inside a standard 8' wide container. That means it has be shipped in a non container ship. Most of thoise today are RO-ROs. But most commercial RO-ROs are set up for consumer vehicles and don't have deck height needed or decks that will handle the concentrated loading. On top of that I doubt the shipping line would want it to be towed across their decks with the steel tracks Smile

2) Liability The combination of large (heavy) cargo and the value of the cargo makes it something that most shippers don't want to touch. I was talking with someone who handles liability for a shipping company and he said that his management would avoid that job like a plague. He said some 'weird loads' like that are done for the PR value (UPS or FedEx shipping animals or museum exhibits for example). He said the North Atlantic is especially troublesome for heavy delicate loads. (If you look at the 'plimsol markings' that all cargo vessels have to show how much freeboard they have 'Winter North Atlantic' requires the most freeboard which equates to the most reserve bouancy because of the rough conditions)

3) Tracking and security - you covered this pretty well

As I said a while back it was already sceduled to be transported on a C-5. The plane that crashed at Dover a while back was supposed to have brought it on the return flight of that trip to deliver equipment overseas. That crash and the subsequent fleet grounding until the cause was determined totally screwed up C-5 flight schedules for the forseeable future so it is a wait and see situation.

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:22 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

hey bob,
who was surprised to find that the elephant had an electric trans??
the army (among other initials) has/have studied that exact elephant time on and time off for years. you would think that we, not just the u.s., would have developed such a "hybrid" by now. ya, es ist eine Porsche!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:55 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

I have found tht most troops involved in day to day operations don't relly understand the history behind their profession. There are of course exceptions. The studies and evaluations were archived long ago and the current generation unerstands Diesels as old technology and turbines as new technology, but think of electric generators and motors as used in locomotives

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum