±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 381
Total: 381
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Downloads
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Home
07: Search
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Home
11: Downloads
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Downloads
17: Your Account
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Photo Gallery
31: Downloads
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Member Screenshots
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: CPGlang
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: News
53: CPGlang
54: CPGlang
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Downloads
59: Downloads
60: News Archive
61: Downloads
62: CPGlang
63: Downloads
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: CPGlang
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Downloads
98: Downloads
99: Community Forums
100: Photo Gallery
101: Your Account
102: Home
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Downloads
110: Photo Gallery
111: Photo Gallery
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Photo Gallery
122: Statistics
123: Photo Gallery
124: Member Screenshots
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Community Forums
132: Member Screenshots
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Downloads
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Downloads
160: Home
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Home
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Home
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Photo Gallery
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Your Account
178: Photo Gallery
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Home
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: CPGlang
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: CPGlang
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Community Forums
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Photo Gallery
233: CPGlang
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Home
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Your Account
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: News Archive
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: CPGlang
283: Photo Gallery
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Downloads
292: Community Forums
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: CPGlang
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Photo Gallery
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: CPGlang
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Photo Gallery
319: Home
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Home
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Home
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Photo Gallery
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Home
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Home
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Home
354: Home
355: News
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Home
369: Home
370: Photo Gallery
371: CPGlang
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Downloads
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Downloads

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Ssssh! its about the CIA.
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:20 am
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Jens_O_Mehner
I know nuthink... Cool

You know, this whole thing got me thinking (always dangerous, ask any number of my various contemporaries at any given moment in time)- we need a badge!

I already have an idea, but I suck at the realisation- here's my concept, first have a look at the original:



I thought we'll have an OD background, "Curmudgeons in Armor" instead of "Central Intelligence Agency" (oxymoron city) the eagle gets replaced by a profile view of a silver/grey Mk I rhomboid tank facing left (sorta like the old collar badge), a head-on view of a T-55, and a profile view of a Leopard 1 or 2 facing right, on the white shield we replace the star with the armor triangle.

On the bottom scroll, I'd put a white star for the US, either a red star or the tricolor for the Rodina, an iron cross for Germany, the respective roundels for the UK, France and Finland, the Star of David for Israel- you get the idea, we'll have to use a lot of wingy thingy stuff, but many of these have been used for aerial recognition on armored vehicles. Lest we run out of space, I'd say we shoot for nations with an armor tradition and/or a major impact on armor design.

Whaddaya think? We could but it on name badges, patches, decals, T-shirts, hats... The list is endless. Instant recognition, fame, fortune, world domination, all ours if someone could put it into a graphic form. Laughing



Jens O.


Jens,

I'd be careful of running afoul of any copyrighted or trademarked logos, even in jest, since I've known it to come up with regard to some military units.

However, I had gotten this far with some T-Shirt ideas for CafePress, with George's blessing, before I got into a travel cycle and forgot all about it...
I have a version with AFV News in there somewhere, too.
Whadday'a think?



Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:25 am
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- JimWeb


.. now all I need is an image of a grumpy old fart on top of something armoured.. Roy? Laughing

Cool


Sorry, I became a "grumpy old fart" long after the last time I was up on top of an AFV so I don't have any photos. Now if you can provide me with an AFV to climb up onto, I will glady pose for you. Razz
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:31 am
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Get out here to Aberdeen and we can make it happen!

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:45 am
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Well,

I see where you're coming from, but to the best of my knowledge none of the US governmental logos have been trademarked or copyrighted- anyways, if we drop the shield and just use the armor triangle instead (which is in the public domain), we use a traditional heraldic design- we can even drop the scroll background and just use the national recognition marks.

I like your T-shirt designs, but I was aiming at a more internationally oriented logo, and not everybody used Shermans. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:57 am
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Jens_O_Mehner
Well,

I see where you're coming from, but to the best of my knowledge none of the US governmental logos have been trademarked or copyrighted- anyways, if we drop the shield and just use the armor triangle instead (which is in the public domain), we use a traditional heraldic design- we can even drop the scroll background and just use the national recognition marks.

I like your T-shirt designs, but I was aiming at a more internationally oriented logo, and not everybody used Shermans. Wink


Jens.
Well, I hastened to get a tank in there because there was some risk associated with travelers with the "CIA" thing in there and no instant CLARIFICATION about what it was about. Actually, the Sherman was not my first choice, a WWI Mark IV was, but George pointed out that this was in use by another group that he wanted not to impinge upon, so I went with the next most generic and widely recognized symbol....nationalism had nothing to do with the choice, I promise.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Doug_Kibbey
Jens.
Well, I hastened to get a tank in there because there was some risk associated with travelers with the "CIA" thing in there and no instant CLARIFICATION about what it was about. Actually, the Sherman was not my first choice, a WWI Mark IV was, but George pointed out that this was in use by another group that he wanted not to impinge upon, so I went with the next most generic and widely recognized symbol....nationalism had nothing to do with the choice, I promise.


Ahh, not to worry,

I didn't imply any nationalism, I can see where the M4 comes in, but I feel it's a bit overused these days and I was aiming at a instantly recognizable, quasimodern yet traditional and self-explanatory look, that's why my design also spells CIA out and uses well-known tanks with an international flavour.

We'd have to rethink the Star of David if there any among us that plan to travel to Arabian countries...

Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

I can also cobble up a "mythical" tank silhouette...totally generic. Should also be "old" and not modern-looking. I wanted something that we could feel comfortable in while mingling with the public on planes, buses, in crowds, etc. in various parts of the world without "political" entanglements. If you start putting national symbols of any sort on there, this could get to be a problem, depending on who, and where, you are.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Dontos
How about a Tanker who is 'ordered' to apply face paint since the Infantry Bn had all their guys in paint.


When I was posted to Bovington - the regiment that was already there (QDG IIRC) was having a parade and I was drafted in (to fill holes in the ranks I suspect) anyway at the dress rehearsal this very young 2lt in charge of our particular column came up to me and.. anyway it went like this

2lt: I say could you wear one of our cap badges for the parade rather than your lancer one?

me <long cold stare straight into his eyes>

2lt <starting to look uncomfortable and probably wondering which was the best line of retreat>

me: no -go away!

Curiously enough they didn't need me for the real parade...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

What about an FT-17 silouette as the basis. It's old, they were used everywhere, The tracks and turret stand out

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

The Not-A-Sherman, Mark XII, Panzerkampfwagen VIII, KV-IV, A7-4A!

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- Doug_Kibbey
I can also cobble up a "mythical" tank silhouette...totally generic. Should also be "old" and not modern-looking. I wanted something that we could feel comfortable in while mingling with the public on planes, buses, in crowds, etc. in various parts of the world without "political" entanglements. If you start putting national symbols of any sort on there, this could get to be a problem, depending on who, and where, you are.


Why not use the tank off the russian tankers badge - thats quite generic and would look good?



Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

- JimWeb
- Doug_Kibbey
I can also cobble up a "mythical" tank silhouette...totally generic. Should also be "old" and not modern-looking. I wanted something that we could feel comfortable in while mingling with the public on planes, buses, in crowds, etc. in various parts of the world without "political" entanglements. If you start putting national symbols of any sort on there, this could get to be a problem, depending on who, and where, you are.


Why not use the tank off the russian tankers badge - thats quite generic and would look good?



Cool


I'll let you submit that one to Cafepress, I don't care for any surprize-laced caipirinhas, thanks very much! Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Hmmm,

I dunno, that CIA on the T-Shirt design certainly draws attention to the wearer, since the explanatory part is rather small- I'd still rather go for a crest/badge-type of design and instead of the individual nations, we could use the UN flag? These designs usually draw less attention as well, since most people assume it's another university or something, plus most people won't make the connection from "Curmudgeons in Armor" to CIA anyways.

I also feel so limited using just one tank design, it kind of gives the false impression we are only interested in one era...

I'll kick it around some more, maybe I can even visualize something- I'll do it the old way and doodle it on paper, followed by scanning it in... Yeah, 21st century technology has a firm grip on me. Laughing

Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

This is about what I had in mind:



Alternatively, instead of using tanks, we could show crossed sabers, crossed rifles and a classic spokewheeled gun in recognition of the roots.

Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Ssssh! its about the CIA.

Make the Triangle larger, Ditch the Flag

What about the Words "Obstinate" "Argumentative" (Something meaning detail oriented) along each side of the Triangle (Maybe even put them in Latin or another Language)

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 9
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum