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More Saumur pictures - inside Saumur...
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Neil_Baumgardner
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:51 am
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Sorry its taken me a long time to get around to this... Had a family emergency a few weeks back, plus been really distracted by work & other things... Slowly getting back to normal, although my final semester of grad school starts up next week...

Anyway, here's some of the pictures I took inside the Saumur Musée des Blindés.

I'll actually go room by room.... You start off in the Salle "Première Guerre Mondiale" right at the entrance, with the Schneider & St Chamond that used to be at Aberdeen...

There's%20also%20an%20FT-17TSF%20(command%20tank)%20chassis%20tucked%20away%20in%20the%20corner%20on%20a%20flatbed%20truck...

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Next is the Next is the Salle Campagne de France 1940.

FCM 36 (only surviving example - was outside awaiting restoration when I last visited in 2004)

Char%20B1%20bis%20(turret%20is%20actually%20from%20a%20S-35%20and%20this%20isnt%20its%20original%20name) Renault%20R-35 Renault%20R-39 AMR-33%20 Renault%20ACG-1%20(only%20surviving%20example%20-%20was%20a%20range%20target)

The SOMUA S-35 was at the carousel instead - I'll post it later in that thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:28 am
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Now what many consider the main attraction - the Salle Allemande (Seconde Guerre Mondiale)...

First the panzers...

The PzKpfw I was at the carousel, so I'll post it later...

PzKpfw II Luchs

PzKpfw%20III PzKpfw%20IV PzKpfw%20V%20Panther%20(didnt%20seem%20to%20take%20enough%20pics) PzKpfw%20VI%20Tiger%20I Story%20behind%20it... PzKpfw%20VI%20Tiger%20II Requisite%20\"group\"%20shot...%20The%20meeting%20of%20AFV%20News%20discussion%20board%20USA%20(myself)%20&%20France%20(the_shadock)%20members...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:03 am
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To close out the German room - unfortunately some of these came out a bit washed out due to the lighting conditions... Lesson learned, when in doubt use the tripod...

GW Lorraine(f) Marder I

PzJg%2038(t)%20Marder%20III%20Ausf%20M PzJg%2038(t)%20Marder%20III%20Pak%2036(r) JgPz%20IV/48 JgPz%20IV/70 Jagdpanther Swiss%20G13%20Hetzer GW%2039H(f)%20FH18(Sf) GW%20PzKpfw%20II%20Wespe Wespe Hummel Mobelwagen Bergepanther StuG%20III StuH%2042 Brumbar SdKfz%20250-9%20SPW SdKfz%20251-7%20SPW

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:21 am
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I'll let ya'll "digest" those for now before moving on to the Salle Les Allies & more modern vehicles... Please let me know if someone wants more pictures of a particular subject, I may just have them...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:52 am
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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

Thank you very much for taking the time and trouble to post these!

Looking forward to the modern allied vehicles.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:48 am
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WOW !

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:53 am
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- Neil_Baumgardner

Requisite "group" shot... The meeting of AFV News discussion board USA (myself) & France (the_shadock) members...



Neil


That's THE picture I was waiting for..

Thanks Neil

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Renault ACG-1 (only surviving example - was a range target)


The roadwheels and a great part of the track links on the right side are missing on that tank, but you can't see it from this view. Also, there was a big hole in the righ side of the hull and that was replaced by steel sheets, only for that tank to be restored more or less cosmetically.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:40 am
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Joe, dont worry, I have some specific info for you coming your way.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:04 am
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Okay, befored getting to the Allied WWII vehicles, you first go through the very small Salle Italienne, the Salle Curiosités and then the Salle Pacte de Varsovie...

So first off the two Italian AFVs...

M15/42 tank

Semovente%20da%2075-18%20su%20M41 ELC%20bis%20from%20the%20room%20of%20curiosities...%20(also%20has%20an%20M3%20made%20to%20look%20like%20an%20SPW%20and%20an%20M24%20Chaffee%20made%20to%20look%20like%20a%20Panther%20if%20anyone%20really%20wants%20to%20see%20those) And%20the%20Warsaw%20Pact%20vehicles%20(also%20had%20a%20BMP-1,%20BRDM-2,%20BTR-70,%20BTR-152,%20MT-LB,%20OT-64,%20PT-76,%20RM-70T%20and%20an%20SPR-1%20if%20anyone%20really%20wants%20to%20see%20those) T-54 T-62 Type%2069%20(sign%20said%20T-54/55) T-72%20trainer%20(the%20runner%20was%20at%20the%20carousel) Yugoslav%20BOV-3%20recovered%20from%20Bosnia

Next the allied WWII vehicles...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:32 am
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Now the Salle Les Alliés (Seconde Guerre Mondiale)...

Sort of trying to go chronologically...

Vickers Mk VIB - with the original data plate on the hull!

Matilda%20II Valentine Churchill%20with%20some%20battle(?)%20damage Centaur Crusader%20AA Comet M4(75)%20Sherman%20-%20what%20model? M5A1%20Stuart Sexton Staghound%20-%20even%20found%20what%20appears%20to%20be%20the%20Ordnance%20catalogue%20number%20(G135)%20and%20possibly%20an%20SN%20on%20the%20lower%20front%20hull (Don%20can%20you%20check%20the%20LST%20building%20Staghound%20to%20see%20if%20it%20has%20a%20similar%20stamp?) KV-1%20&%20SU-100%20diorama

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:02 am
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Now Salle France - modern era French AFVs...

Two of my personal favorites, the ARL-44 and AMX-50B...

I%20even%20found%20a%20few%20models%20of%20AMX-50%20variants%20in%20the%20museum M8%20HMC AMX-40 Leclerc%20with%20a%20fake%20turret

The France room also has an AML-90, AMX-10P, AMX-10RC, AMX-13T SS-1, AMX-30B2 and AMX-30 demining vehicle, AMX-30 Pluton, EBR, ERC-90, and VAB if anyone really wants to see those...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:50 am
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- Neil_Baumgardner

M4(75) Sherman - what model?

Seems%20to%20be%20an%20M4(75)%20because%20of%20the%20cut%20on%20the%20low%20area%20of%20the%20rear%20vertical%20plate.
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KV-1%20&%20SU-100%20diorama


SU-100M from the Egyptian army captured by the French troops in Port-Saïd (Egypt) in November 1956. Three other ones were captured by the British troops and are now in Aberdeen, Bovington and Duxford museums.
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P-O,
I just sent you some pictures of possible SNs off APG's S-35.

Neil
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