±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: Angiolillo
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6587

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 108
Total: 108
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Gallery
02: Downloads
03: Photo Gallery
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Photo Gallery
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Your Account
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Downloads
59: Your Account
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Photo Gallery
63: Your Account
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Photo Gallery
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Your Account
77: Community Forums
78: Search and Rescue
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Member Screenshots
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3932
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:24 am
Post subject: FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

See page 17
republicans.appropriat...lution.pdf
"Reduction of museum operations support building - (74.8)"

Compare to comptroller.defense.go...011_c1.pdf page 356 - that's all funding for Fort Benning, Lee and Sill...

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:38 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 4628
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:04 am
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

Gosh....who could have foreseen that development?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3932
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

The good news is that this is just the first salvo - it has to pass the whole House of Representatives, and then go into conference committee with the Senate on their version. The Democrat-controlled Senate may not cut so deep...
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2843
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

What wonderful news!! Is there any plan to scrap all that old armor in order to sell the iron to China? At least they would be of some use...

More seriously, I hope that they will not be stored outside too long, because some of them were very recently cosmetically restored.

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1264
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

Any chance of getting some funding from Kuwait? Seriously - I read about the Tank Museum @ Bovington getting 1.5 Million Pounds in recognition of the Royal Armoured Corps in the liberation of Kuwait.

www.tankmuseum.org/ixb...XMENU_=top

I seem to remember that some M1 Abrahms were involved in that as well Smile
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

I wonder how much the Russians/French/British spend to have the best Armor Museums in the world? Fort Knox and other bases have millions of dollars in new buildings going up right now. It seems here in the states if we can't spend a Kzillion dollars on the structure we are incapable of displaying the armor. If the US Army can't do it maybe they should give them away to folks that can. I would add Kubinka is one great Museum and the fact they have older buildings I don't think anyone notices or cares....Displaying the vehicles is the point
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 26, 2006
Posts: 2843
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

- armyjunk2
I would add Kubinka is one great Museum and the fact they have older buildings I don't think anyone notices or cares....Displaying the vehicles is the point


Here you can see that even Kubinka spends some money to have more comfortable and beautiful buildings :



P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 15, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

Most of Bovington's money comes from the National Lottery - I don't know if there's a US equivalent. This year they're planning a 40,000 sq ft storage building with workshop and conservation facility. It's designed to hold 120 vehicles, and be accessible to the public.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Posts: 2514
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

Bovington also charges admission, something the U.S. Museums are not allowed to do. And remember the Army isn't building museums they are building storage facilities Rolling Eyes

_________________
Bob Smart ([email protected])
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 3434
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

- bsmart
Bovington also charges admission, something the U.S. Museums are not allowed to do. And remember the Army isn't building museums they are building storage facilities Rolling Eyes


Bob

I believe the term is Institutional Support Instructional Storage Facility...(!!??)

Rolling Eyes
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

again if the Army can't or won't build facilities why not give vehicles to someone that will. I don't get it I guess.. I know its far more complicated than I'm making it, I just hate seeing them rust away. I'm just ranting...

I hope the new ceiling in building 7 helps with the photo taking at kubinka.
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 21, 2006
Posts: 1406

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

These don't look high dollar to me, but work perfect for the purpose...Rant, Rant...
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 557

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

To be honest, if the choice was between providing free daycare for the children of soldiers; or free internet connections so the deployed could talk with their families more often; or putting the cheapest possible roof over my favorite tanks; I would let the tanks rust.

I realize that it's not that simple, and there are undoubtedly wasteful or frivolous expenses that *aren't* being cut, but when there is only so much money, museums and so forth are a ways down the list from supporting the warfighters.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:09 am
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

- Neil_Baumgardner
See page 17
republicans.appropriat...lution.pdf
"Reduction of museum operations support building - (74.8)"

Compare to comptroller.defense.go...011_c1.pdf page 356 - that's all funding for Fort Benning, Lee and Sill...

Neil


Hi,

Told ya s....nah, too easy. But this was pretty predictable.

And I wouldn't hold much hope for anyone bothering to protect the restored vehicles. They are just pawns in the funding games, and if they deteriorate it makes them more valuable as evidence of how badly funding is needed. This is about money and the power it represents...politics at it's finest. If you convince Congress to give you money, you gain power. It's messed up, but it's the way it is.

And don't mention Kubinka. It's that way because of exactly the same reasons, and it gave someone some sort of power or status to build it the way it is. Sadly, this is true of most museums owned and operated by a civil government. If they take money from a national funding source, they are subject to the same rules.

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
blackdog
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 11, 2010
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:47 am
Post subject: Re: Not Good: House Proposed FY11 MILCON Museum Cuts

Sounds like someone put the cart before the horse...

_________________
www.themech.org
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum