- Roy_A_LingleHi Folks!
I am working on a listing of British names assigned to the M4 FOV of vehicles.
I am missing one name. While working my way through all the name for the different versions, I notice one vehicle that I have not been able to find a British name for.
I find that odd sense they named vehicles they never used and in a few cases were never build. For one example the M4A6 75mm version rearmed with 17 pdr AT gun!
I can not find a name for one vehicle that was build base one a British idea that just such a vehicle would be needed to attack the West Wall Fortications. The M4A3E2, which after the war became known by the nickname Jumbo.
Did the British miss this one or am I missing something?
- Smashy
You mean the Sherman VIIC?
- Smashy
With the availability of the Churchill I don't think the brits saw the need to buy this variant.
- tankbarrell
I doubt the M4A3E2 was ever offered to Britain.
- tankbarrell
They were all Shermans to the British Army, regardless of type.
- Hanno_Spoelstra
Not sure what you are trying to prove.
"Paper" designations - i.e. given to tanks which were never supplied - are not listed to prevent confusion.
Where do the other Mark ### refer to?
Hanno
- Roy_A_LingleI am just trying to fill a couple of gaps. I am putting together a list for the Staff at the Fort Bliss museum to help ex-duck hunters get up speed on AFV facts. I will have to think about your idea for the "Paper" names. I guess I am going over board and maybe I need to cut back to reduce "confusion". The other marks I have are:
Mark IIB M4A1 105mm and IIC 17 pdr
Mark IVA M4A3 76, IVB w/105mm, and IVC w/17 pdr, Where is the M4A3E2 which I am guessing might have been a Mark IVD?
Mark V (Guards) M4A4 75 with Typhoon rocket launcher rails
Most of these came from Chamberlain and Ellis's book.
Still confuzed about the Sherman! PS Thanks for reminding me about your Sherman site.
- Roy_A_LingleHi Tankbarrell! Hi Folks!
- tankbarrell
I doubt the M4A3E2 was ever offered to Britain.
Very possible, I don't know. I do know the M4A3 75/76s were never offered.
- tankbarrell
They were all Shermans to the British Army, regardless of type.
I would like to suggest you check out "the Sherman, An Illustrated History of the M4 Medium Tank by Peter Chamberlain and Chris Ellis. A very old book, might be impossible to find.
R.P. Hunnicutt's Sherman, A History of the American Medium Tank has a lot of the British Mark numbers but not all of them. Very costly book now days, maybe the local library might have one.
There are 20 M4 versions the British named "Sherman Mark ### (### = Roman numeral). Counting the M4A3E2 there are 21 versions of the M4 medium tank and there is my problem, 20 Mark numbers, 21 versions.
Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts out!
- tankbarrell
Thanks, I've had those for over 20 years, about the same number of years I've had my Sherman V!
What I was referring to was your opening statement of ''British names assigned to the M4 FOV of vehicles.''
The only name assigned to the gun tanks was Sherman.
- Hanno_Spoelstra
When Chamberlain and Ellis were writing their books not everything was known what we know today. ...... they were good books, but ongoing Sherman research has proven they were wrong in some cases.
- Hanno_Spoelstra
No-one is really interested to know what the paper pushers were dreaming up one day and discarding the next, are they?
- Hanno_Spoelstra
....... and stick to what has been researched and documented already.
- Roy_A_LingleI am sorry Tankbarrel!
- Roy_A_LingleNo-one? I was, that is why I made the mistake of asking, sorry.
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