- L.Delsing
FORT JACKSON, SOUTH CAROLINA
- L.Delsing
FORT McCOY, WISCONSIN
Army base: commemorative area, the M1 is a 105mm model
M1 Abrams USA pre jul05
M4A3 Sherman USA 67593 pre jul05
T95 USA pre jul05
- L.Delsing
MILITARY VEHICLE MUSEUM, VIRGINIA
The VMMV is located at the "tank farm", a grass airstrip and several adjoining properties located in Prince William County in northern Virginia. Here the vehicles are restored and maintained for the collection.
- bsmart
Also what is
" the CFE description of a main battle tank"
That doesn't ring a bell with me. Also would it exclude the Italian M13/40, Japanese Chi-Ha, or British Matilda? There is also a Churchill at Aberdeen and several tanks from the pre WWII era that were MBTs in their time.
- bsmart
2) The Experimental HVSS Sherman is an M4A4 (longer hull)
- L.Delsing
Army base - Ordnance museum
M4 Sherman USA 16917 pre aug05
M4A1 Sherman FRA std, ex Mannheim (DEU)? dec05
M4A2 Sherman USA std jul05
M4A4 Sherman USA pre ‘03
- Neil_Baumgardner- bsmart
Also what is
" the CFE description of a main battle tank"
That doesn't ring a bell with me. Also would it exclude the Italian M13/40, Japanese Chi-Ha, or British Matilda? There is also a Churchill at Aberdeen and several tanks from the pre WWII era that were MBTs in their time.
CFE is the "Conventional Forces in Europe" treaty. It defines a "battle tank" (not necessarily a main battle tank) as:
"a self-propelled armoured fighting vehicle, capable of heavy firepower, primarily of a high muzzle velocity direct fire main gun necessary to engage armoured and other targets, with high cross-country mobility, with a high level of self-protection, and which is not designed and equipped primarily to transport combat troops. Such armoured vehicles serve as the principal weapon system of ground-force tank and other armoured formations. Battle tanks are tracked armoured fighting vehicles which weigh at least 16.5 metric tonnes unladen weight and which are armed with a 360-degree traverse gun of at least 75 millimeters calibre. In addition, any wheeled armoured fighting vehicles entering into service which meet all the other criteria stated above shall also be deemed battle tanks."
Yes, that excludes a lot of WWII and prior tanks. Oops, I guess the 360 degree traverse excludes the M3... IMO, its kind of arbitrary to include some WWII tanks but not all...
www.state.gov/t/ac/trt/4781.htm
Neil
- pineyadd to the list a Berlin brigade Chieftan that resides on rt. 130 in Cinnaminson , NJ in front of an Army surplus store but appears to be in excellent conditon
Jeff Lewis
- pineyadd to the list a Berlin brigade Chieftan that resides on rt. 130 in Cinnaminson , NJ in front of an Army surplus store but appears to be in excellent conditon
Jeff Lewis
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